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Canes v3 - something different

Créé par: vikhodush

Équipe: 2023-24 Hurricanes de la Caroline

Date de création initiale: 21 juin 2023

Publié: 21 juin 2023

Mode - plafond salarial: Basique

Description

Tired of seeing same deals so tried doing something different.

BUF trade - not sure on value here so feel free to chip in. Pesce signs the Severson deal as part of this. What does Mitts extension look like next year? Felt like he might be odd man out in the future in BUF and could be of interest to the canes in a deal like this. Saw a lot of BUF fans opposed to moving their first this year so figured this could be a good discussion at least.

NJD trade - a lot of reasons this wouldn’t happen but figured since canes were in on Meier at TDL they might take another look if negotiations go south (team elected reduction arb doesn’t seem like a good sign but who knows) and maybe the devils try to recoup those assets and flip them for another piece like Cat or Keller. Trading in the division is taboo, especially with two teams who look like they’ll be competitive for awhile but I think it’s a bit overblown and GMs would explore deals like this. Feel free to chime in NJD friends.

PHI trade - I think canes looked at Seeler last year and he would be a good 6/7D who brings physicality and is super cheap. If OEL experiment doesn’t go well then he can slot in full time on third pair and Canes can look for OEL replacement for PP2 at TDL. Hopefully a third is fair comp but can adjust that.

Drury wants more PT so there you go. Could be any team for a mid pick.

Thought about signing Patches to an incentive deal and still could but the top 9 is prettt loaded if healthy so seems redundant. He won’t be ready for first half of year at least so could always circle back.

Signatures de joueurs autonomes

RFA		ANS	CAP HIT
Meier, Timo		8	9 250 000 $

UFA	ANS	CAP HIT
Andersen, Frederik	2	4 250 000 $
Staal, Jordan	2	2 750 000 $
Ekman-Larsson, Oliver	1	1 500 000 $
Soucy, Carson	3	3 500 000 $
Fast, Jesper	2	3 000 000 $

Transactions

CAR

Mittelstadt, Casey
Choix de 2e ronde en 2023 (PHI)

BUF

Pesce, Brett

CAR

Seeler, Nick

PHI

Choix de 3e ronde en 2023 (PHI)

CAR

Meier, Timo [Droits de RFA]

NJD

Gunler, Noel
Choix de 1e ronde en 2023 (CAR)
Choix de 2e ronde en 2023 (PHI)
Choix de 1e ronde en 2025 (CAR)

Détails additionnels:

Not sure on value but think devils essentially gave up a good prospect, a first, a second that could turn into a first. This is arguably more value but at least about the same so hopefully in the ballpark.

CAR

Choix de 3e ronde en 2023 (DET)

DET

Drury, Jack

Repêchage	1e ronde	2e ronde	3e ronde	4e ronde	5e ronde	6e ronde	7e ronde
2023
2024
2025

FORMATION

VUE À LONG TERME

INTÉGRÉ

TEXTE INTÉGRÉ

TAILLE DE LA FORMATION	PLAFOND SALARIAL	CAP HIT	EXCÉDENTS	BONIS	ESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
23	83 500 000 $	81 088 584 $	450 000 $	520 000 $	2 411 416 $

Formation

Ailier gauche	Centre	Ailier droit
Meier, Timo 9 250 000 $9 250 000 $ AG, AD UFA - 8	Aho, Sebastian 8 460 250 $8 460 250 $ C UFA - 1	Jarvis, Seth 894 167 $894 167 $ (500 000 $$500K) AD RFA - 1
Svechnikov, Andrei 7 750 000 $7 750 000 $ AG, AD UFA - 6	Kotkaniemi, Jesperi 4 820 000 $4 820 000 $ C UFA - 7	Necas, Martin 3 000 000 $3 000 000 $ AD RFA - 1
Teräväinen, Teuvo 5 400 000 $5 400 000 $ AG, AD M-NTC UFA - 1	Mittelstadt, Casey 2 500 000 $2 500 000 $ AG, C RFA - 1	Fast, Jesper 3 000 000 $3 000 000 $ AD UFA - 2
Noesen, Stefan 762 500 $762 500 $ AG, AD UFA - 1	Staal, Jordan 2 750 000 $2 750 000 $ C, AG UFA - 4	Martinook, Jordan 1 800 000 $1 800 000 $ AG, AD UFA - 1

Défenseur gaucher	Défenseur droitier	Gardien de but
Slavin, Jaccob 5 300 000 $5 300 000 $ DG M-NTC UFA - 2	Burns, Brent 5 280 000 $5 280 000 $ DD M-NTC UFA - 2	Kochetkov, Pyotr 2 000 000 $2 000 000 $ G UFA - 4
Skjei, Brady 5 250 000 $5 250 000 $ DG M-NTC UFA - 1	Soucy, Carson 3 500 000 $3 500 000 $ DG/DD UFA - 3	Andersen, Frederik 4 250 000 $4 250 000 $ G UFA - 2
Ekman-Larsson, Oliver 1 500 000 $1 500 000 $ DG UFA - 1	Chatfield, Jalen 762 500 $762 500 $ DD UFA - 1

Laissés de côté	Liste des blessés (IR)	Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
Rees, Jamieson 839 167 $839 167 $ C RFA - 1
Seeler, Nick 775 000 $775 000 $ DG/DD UFA - 1
Ponomarev, Vasili 795 000 $795 000 $ (20 000 $$20K) C RFA - 2

Unités spéciales

Avantage numérique 1
Svechnikov, A.		Aho, S.		Meier, T.
	Teräväinen, T.		Burns, B.

Avantage numérique 2
Mittelstadt, C.		Kotkaniemi, J.		Jarvis, S.
	Ekman-Larsson, O.		Necas, M.

Infériorité numérique 1
	Staal, J.	Martinook, J.
	Skjei, B.	Soucy, C.

Infériorité numérique 2
	Aho, S.	Teräväinen, T.
	Slavin, J.	Burns, B.

21 juin 2023 à 22 h 30

ecupirate07

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meier is staying in NJ.

Mittlestadt isnt a match for us.

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21 juin 2023 à 22 h 31

kogger

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We have up 3 players and 2 picks for Meier you need to at least add a roster player

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21 juin 2023 à 22 h 33

vikhodush

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Quoting: kogger

We have up 3 players and 2 picks for Meier you need to at least add a roster player

Yeah, open to adjusting. What’s the counter?

21 juin 2023 à 22 h 34

vikhodush

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Quoting: ecupirate07

meier is staying in NJ.

Mittlestadt isnt a match for us.

Maybe. Who knows how negotiations are actually going. If they take a turn for the worse this should be something canes explore.

21 juin 2023 à 22 h 34

kogger

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Quoting: vikhodush

Yeah, open to adjusting. What’s the counter?

Might have to start with Necas and go from there... Svech and Meier would be a really good top 6 grit/scoring tandem

21 juin 2023 à 22 h 37

vikhodush

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Quoting: kogger

Might have to start with Necas and go from there... Svech and Meier would be a really good top 6 grit/scoring tandem

If Necas gets added in other big pieces come out. Don’t think anything that valuable was sent to sharks in terms of roster players, thought it was more to make money work. Any interest in turbo?

Yes, would be a great compliment to have them on both lines.

21 juin 2023 à 22 h 41

kogger

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Quoting: vikhodush

Turbo could be useful but we gave up Zetterlund who isn’t incredible but a roster player no less and 2 really good Russian defensive prospects

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21 juin 2023 à 22 h 47

vikhodush

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Quoting: kogger

Turbo could be useful but we gave up Zetterlund who isn’t incredible but a roster player no less and 2 really good Russian defensive prospects

Fair, I guess I see it this was:
2 firsts > 1 first 1 second
2nd+Gunler = 2 prospects given up
Turbo > Zetterlund

Plus I think you guys sent some smaller stuff back to SJS but probably to make contracts work.

21 juin 2023 à 22 h 48

evelutions2

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Could get more value out of Pesce. Mitts likely won’t have nearly as much success in Carolina as he just had in Buffalo, and he isn’t a C. If the Canes want a middle 6 C, Backlund and ROR would be much better alternatives. That’s a bit much for Meier considering he doesn’t currently have a contract, unless this is a part of a sign and trade. Love the Seeler pickup, and I don’t mind the Drury move, but would definitely prefer a 2nd. Drury should go for the best offer on the table.

As for signings, that’s a bit high on Meier, probably shouldn’t be going over 8mil, and maybe at most 8.5mil. Would love to get Soucy, but you might as well go for either Dumba or Clifton to replace Pesce’s spot, rather than playing Soucy on his off side. Really like the OEL pickup, and hopefully it would work out, but I would be lying if I said I didn’t have my doubts. Canes definitely need to have an insurance goalie.

21 juin 2023 à 22 h 54

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vikhodush

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Quoting: evelutions2

Thanks for feedback.

I thought Mitts predominately played C with BUF? May be wrong. If that’s the case there’s probably better alternatives. Figured he might be a nice option for 3C but admittedly don’t know a ton about his game, but he did stand out when I watched BUF last year.

On Meier I figured I’d rather overpay a bit than underpay on here to at least have a meaningful dialogue. I also think that if he doesn’t sign in NJD realistically he’d be looking for a deal like this, but that’s not necessarily our MO either. I think he’d be worth the slight overpay in a trade and a deal, and yes the trade included the signing here.

Agree on Drury, get a second if you can.

My thought process on D was it’s a flexible grouping. OEL could be a nice cheap find who could run our PP2 and eat sheltered minutes. I thought Soucy was comfortable playing offside but may be wrong. I like his game though so would be nice to include him somehow.

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21 juin 2023 à 23 h 6

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kogger

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Quoting: vikhodush

Sj retained half of timos contract and we gave up a conditional first next year which was if we made the ECF or if timo played in x amount of playoff games we would release our first. Your counter is a reasonable offer but he’s not leaving NJ especially to a rival!

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22 juin 2023 à 0 h 11

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Quoting: vikhodush

Mitts plays both LW and C. He was our #1C at the end of the season. He took 736 faceoffs. He's very flexible as he could play on any of the top 3 lines.

I don't know about giving up the 2nd in this exchange.

Mitts <> Pesce straight up is interesting. You might be able to get a later round draft pick as well.

BUF really likes Mitts and he is just entering his prime, so I don't think they are looking to move him, but we could really use a Pescce. Mitts could be a point per game player next year and plays a good 2-way game. He would have been 3rd in points among Fs on the Canes last year.

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22 juin 2023 à 0 h 42

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Quoting: kogger

Might have to start with Necas and go from there... Svech and Meier would be a really good top 6 grit/scoring tandem

Quoting: kogger

Might have to start with Necas and go from there... Svech and Meier would be a really good top 6 grit/scoring tandem

You gave up nothing close to Necas, get real

22 juin 2023 à 2 h 35

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homiedaclown

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Quoting: evelutions2

Could get more value out of Pesce. Mitts likely won’t have nearly as much success in Carolina as he just had in Buffalo, and he isn’t a C.

Mitts sure looked good at Center when Tage Thompson was hurt down the stretch- he was GREAT as the fill in at 1C
And Center was his natural position coming up
Being versatile enough to play the wing doesn’t mean he can’t play Center, we just have a TON of them
Cozens is a better 2way player, so it made sense that Mitts played on his wing as opposed to the other way around

Saying he “isn’t a Center” is ludicrous though
He’s quite capable

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22 juin 2023 à 2 h 37

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homiedaclown

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Pesce would likely be of interest to us

Idk that we’d wanna move Mitts, but we also have a lot of Centers on our roster & 3 more coming soon, so it’s certainly a possibility imo

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22 juin 2023 à 6 h 6

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Quoting: homiedaclown

I guess I should have amended my statement to be that he is more suited to the wing. I mean, of all the Buffalo games I watched last year, he was always on the wing and never at C.

22 juin 2023 à 8 h 3

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kogger

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Quoting: Moosetache

You gave up nothing close to Necas, get real

2 firsts is quite close if not slightly more than Necas, sure the players we sent back werent up to par with him but sending draft capital sure helps when trading.

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22 juin 2023 à 8 h 12

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vikhodush

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Quoting: kogger

2 firsts is quite close if not slightly more than Necas, sure the players we sent back werent up to par with him but sending draft capital sure helps when trading.

I get that but I also included 2 firsts in the offer

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22 juin 2023 à 8 h 13

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Quoting: vikhodush

I get that but I also included 2 firsts in the offer

Since its a division rival trade thats why the price would be inflated drastically, Timo came from a team we play twice a year.

22 juin 2023 à 8 h 16

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vikhodush

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Quoting: kogger

Since its a division rival trade thats why the price would be inflated drastically, Timo came from a team we play twice a year.

I really think that’s overblown and a media/fan narrative tbh. GMs are going to take the best deal and if that’s clearly the best offer (might not be) they’ll take it.

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22 juin 2023 à 8 h 20

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Quoting: vikhodush

I really think that’s overblown and a media/fan narrative tbh. GMs are going to take the best deal and if that’s clearly the best offer (might not be) they’ll take it.

I mean we would be giving a rival an elite power forward that we would have to face 4x a year, plus with playoff implications on the line. Not overblown whatsoever.

22 juin 2023 à 8 h 23

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Quoting: kogger

I mean we would be giving a rival an elite power forward that we would have to face 4x a year, plus with playoff implications on the line. Not overblown whatsoever.

So if COL was the second best deal and offered you a first a second and a decent prospect, versus this offer you’d take the COL offer?

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22 juin 2023 à 8 h 29

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kogger

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Quoting: vikhodush

So if COL was the second best deal and offered you a first a second and a decent prospect, versus this offer you’d take the COL offer?

need more specifics than "a decent prospect" also three way trades appear to be on the rise for notable players, perhaps another team can get involved and we can maximize our return for Timo.

Bottom line - we arent trading Timo lol he's made it clear he wants an 8 year deal to stay in NJ.

22 juin 2023 à 8 h 36

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vikhodush

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Quoting: kogger

Oluasson for sake of argument. And I get that the situation isn’t likely and the hope is he extends in NJD. Just for the purposes of this acgm is what I’m talking about. It is a fantasy site essentially lol

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22 juin 2023 à 15 h 29

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Quoting: evelutions2

I guess I should have amended my statement to be that he is more suited to the wing. I mean, of all the Buffalo games I watched last year, he was always on the wing and never at C.

And i explained exactly why
Is he as good at center as Cozens? No
But we wanted to keep him in the top6,
and he’s more than capable at Center

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