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A deal everyone can live with but no one likes

Créé par: jonh514
Équipe: 2023-24 Canadiens de Montréal
Date de création initiale: 21 juin 2023
Publié: 21 juin 2023
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
Description
Habs give up a lot of futures for the present in this deal.

RHP was scoring at an unrealistic pace, but he seems like a lock as a 20 goal scorer and energy guy for however long of a career he has. He got called up in the 2nd half for those fans who don't know him and he never went back. He can be signed to one of the best value contracts in the NHL

Beck is looking like he might outperform Shane Wright throughout his career. It's a toss up at this point, but it's important to note that he's got a VERY HIGH floor and as we know from players like Reinbacher, that counts for a lot with NHL management teams

31 OA is... Whatever you make of it.

Regardless of the fact that there is not an obvious star player in this group, I think both of these players are the kind of guys a team needs in their depth chart to win a cup
Signatures de joueurs autonomes
RFAANSCAP HIT
88 250 000 $
Transactions
MTL
  1. Dubois, Pierre-Luc [Droits de RFA]
WPG
  1. Beck, Owen
  2. Harvey-Pinard, Rafaël [Droits de RFA]
  3. Choix de 1e ronde en 2023 (FLA)
Détails additionnels:
RHP showed us last season that he's got something special. Jet's would be thrilled to have him and more importantly, he would be thrilled to have a long term deal with any team
Beck seems like a lock as a 3rd line center with the upside of a 2nd line center
31 OA
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TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS Info-bulleBONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2183 500 000 $77 959 166 $1 170 000 $4 210 000 $5 540 834 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
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4 500 000 $4 500 000 $
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UFA - 1
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7 875 000 $7 875 000 $
C
UFA - 7
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6 500 000 $6 500 000 $
AD, AG
M-NTC, NMC
UFA - 4
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1 100 000 $1 100 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 1
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4 450 000 $4 450 000 $
C
M-NTC
UFA - 2
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5 500 000 $5 500 000 $
AD, AG
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UFA - 4
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812 500 $812 500 $
AG, AD
UFA - 2
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3 362 500 $3 362 500 $
C, AD
RFA - 3
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3 400 000 $3 400 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 2
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1 700 000 $1 700 000 $
C
UFA - 2
8 250 000 $8 250 000 $
C
UFA - 8
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
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4 875 000 $4 875 000 $
DG
M-NTC
UFA - 3
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3 500 000 $3 500 000 $
DD
UFA - 2
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1 925 000 $1 925 000 $
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M-NTC
UFA - 2
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875 000 $875 000 $
DG/DD
M-NTC
UFA - 1
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925 000 $925 000 $ (Bonis de performance275 000 $$275K)
DD
RFA - 1
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1 000 000 $1 000 000 $
G
UFA - 1
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1 400 000 $1 400 000 $
DG/DD
RFA - 2
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766 667 $766 667 $
DD
UFA - 2
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863 333 $863 333 $ (Bonis de performance420 000 $$420K)
DG/DD
RFA - 2
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762 500 $762 500 $
DD
UFA - 1
Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
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7 850 000 $7 850 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 8
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10 500 000 $10 500 000 $
G
NMC
UFA - 3
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1 985 000 $1 985 000 $ (Bonis de performance15 000 $$15K)
C, AG, AD
UFA - 1
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950 000 $950 000 $ (Bonis de performance3 500 000 $$4M)
AD, AG
RFA - 2
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828 333 $828 333 $
DG/DD
RFA - 1

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21 juin 2023 à 7 h 55
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Who is Montreal drafting at #5 in your scenario? Someone to fill out the 2nd line or a D-man?
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Who is Montreal drafting at #5 in your scenario? Someone to fill out the 2nd line or a D-man?


No idea. They are keeping me guessing.
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The trade is about as good as the Jets can expect. But why do it?

My assessment of Beck is very similar to yours, and there's already Dach emerging, which begs the question why the Habs would want to blow the bank on PLD, especially if it doesn't include moving Dvorak out. And what about Monahan?
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The trade is about as good as the Jets can expect. But why do it?

My assessment of Beck is very similar to yours, and there's already Dach emerging, which begs the question why the Habs would want to blow the bank on PLD, especially if it doesn't include moving Dvorak out. And what about Monahan?


I'll try and answer your questions 1 by 1

Why do it?

I think you can assume with PLD that you are getting a 60 point player acquisition who "plays the game the right way". This is far from nothing.

There is also some small chance that Dubois has another gear and becomes another Zibanejad. Either way he makes this team better.

Finally in the top 6 you ideally want 3 or even 4 centers as we've seen in Tampa, there will be injuries and you need the center depth.

Beck vs Dubois

I know people dream about Beck becoming the next Bergeron, but to me it seems more likely he's just a good player who plays in a middle 6 role. Even if he hits his upside, he'll become a less good version of what Dubois is today.

Dach vs Dubois

You need both of the players AND Suzuki in your top 6 to win. Some days Dach plays wing. Some days Dubois plays wing. Suzuki may even play wing some nights. Giving MSL options and depth in case of injuries is what this is all about.

Where does Monahan fit in?

Monahan is a short term play, Dubois is a long term play. Let's assume Monahan is healthy all year (big assumption) and puts up his best season in 6-7 years (50-60 pts). I would not be supportive of the Habs signing him to a long term deal at 6M+. I think that would be the wrong move for the Habs both because of the injury risk and because he will be declining when this team is getting good.
21 juin 2023 à 8 h 39
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Quoting: HabsRafiki
The trade is about as good as the Jets can expect. But why do it?

My assessment of Beck is very similar to yours, and there's already Dach emerging, which begs the question why the Habs would want to blow the bank on PLD, especially if it doesn't include moving Dvorak out. And what about Monahan?


The Monahan signing makes me wonder if that doesn't shut the door on a PLD to Habs trade or at least maybe indicates that whatever Hughes offer is for Dubois is what it is and he isn't willing to move on it.
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21 juin 2023 à 8 h 42
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What are you gonna do after draft day ?
21 juin 2023 à 8 h 44
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What are you gonna do after draft day ?


Talk about free agency?
21 juin 2023 à 8 h 46
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Talk about free agency?


Oh no, you will try to sign UFAs ?
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The Monahan signing makes me wonder if that doesn't shut the door on a PLD to Habs trade or at least maybe indicates that whatever Hughes offer is for Dubois is what it is and he isn't willing to move on it.


I think the offer will be significant, but since there is no home run deal we can offer Chevy... I have no idea what happens.

If the Habs trade Dach for Dubois 1-for-1 I would be pretty upset. But Dach is the only player Chevy would be able to sell to his fan base as a "we aren't rebuilding" move.

The truth is... The Jets should fire Chevy and rebuild. He's so irresponsible right now and he's going to doom that team to mediocrity for years with his approach.
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Oh no, you will try to sign UFAs ?


Are you seriously trying to pick a fight with me on Capfriendly?
21 juin 2023 à 8 h 53
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Are you seriously trying to pick a fight with me on Capfriendly?


What, just wondering what goes through your head
You do that for fun or you really want them to make moves ?
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What, just wondering what goes through your head
You do that for fun or you really want them to make moves ?


I think it's interesting to try and predict what teams will pickup what players and comment on whether it was a good idea.or not.

No I do not want the Habs to sign any free agents in 2023. They need to keep the cap flexibility for 2024 which might be one of the greatest free agency classes in the history of the NHL.
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I think the offer will be significant, but since there is no home run deal we can offer Chevy... I have no idea what happens.

If the Habs trade Dach for Dubois 1-for-1 I would be pretty upset. But Dach is the only player Chevy would be able to sell to his fan base as a "we aren't rebuilding" move.

The truth is... The Jets should fire Chevy and rebuild. He's so irresponsible right now and he's going to doom that team to mediocrity for years with his approach.


Lots of chatter that the Jets owner is very involved in day to day hockey stuff so Chevy might just be taking his marching orders from above.
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Quoting: MisstheWhalers
Lots of chatter that the Jets owner is very involved in day to day hockey stuff so Chevy might just be taking his marching orders from above.


Yeah I get that. Whether it's the owner or the GM, the Jets should be in the business of trying to win, not just keeping buts in seats. It's disrespectful to the fans.
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