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Créé par: RedWing9119
Équipe: 2023-24 Red Wings de Detroit
Date de création initiale: 11 juin 2023
Publié: 20 juin 2023
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
Description
In his press conference, Yzerman mentioned trying to fill their deficiencies in the UFA market and he also mentioned teams without second round picks wanting to acquire them. All trade values are based on Dom Luszczyszyn's GSVA model (which is available at the Athletic) and recent trade comparables.
Signatures de joueurs autonomes
RFAANSCAP HIT
21 125 000 $
UFAANSCAP HIT
32 000 000 $
33 000 000 $
57 250 000 $
Transactions
1.
DET
  1. Granlund, Mikael
  2. Petry, Jeff
  3. Choix de 1e ronde en 2023 (PIT)
  4. Choix de 3e ronde en 2023 (NJD)
Détails additionnels:
11.25 million in cap relief in years one and two. 22.5 million in total.
PIT
  1. Choix de 2e ronde en 2023 (STL)
Détails additionnels:
Value of climbing from 42 to 14 plus the 90 is the 22nd pick.
2.
DET
  1. Murray, Matt
  2. Choix de 1e ronde en 2023 (BOS)
Détails additionnels:
The difference in value between the two 3rds (73 and 90) and the Boston 1st is the 48th pick. This value is consistent with plenty of recent comparables. Also Murray's real salary owed is over 6 million.
TOR
  1. Choix de 3e ronde en 2023 (NJD)
  2. Choix de 3e ronde en 2023 (DET)
3.
DET
  1. Choix de 1e ronde en 2023 (VAN)
  2. Choix de 3e ronde en 2023 (VAN)
VAN
  1. Choix de 1e ronde en 2023 (NYI)
  2. Choix de 2e ronde en 2023 (VAN)
Détails additionnels:
GSVA value is almost identical(6.5 vs 6.4). This is the exact kind of trade Yzerman mentioned in his press conference.
Rachats de contrats
Transactions impliquant une retenue de salaire
Repêchage1e ronde2e ronde3e ronde4e ronde5e ronde6e ronde7e ronde
2023
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2024
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2025
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TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS Info-bulleBONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2183 500 000 $77 647 639 $0 $5 200 000 $5 852 361 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
7 250 000 $7 250 000 $
AD
UFA - 1
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8 700 000 $8 700 000 $
C
NTC
UFA - 8
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925 000 $925 000 $ (Bonis de performance2 500 000 $$2M)
AD, AG
RFA - 1
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1 460 000 $1 460 000 $
AG, C
UFA - 1
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5 625 000 $5 625 000 $
C, AG, AD
M-NTC
UFA - 4
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4 750 000 $4 750 000 $
AD, AG
M-NTC
UFA - 1
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2 500 000 $2 500 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 1
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918 333 $918 333 $ (Bonis de performance1 000 000 $$1M)
C
RFA - 3
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925 000 $925 000 $
AD, AG
RFA - 1
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5 000 000 $5 000 000 $
C, AD
UFA - 2
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1 125 000 $1 125 000 $
C
RFA - 1
2 000 000 $2 000 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 2
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
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3 400 000 $3 400 000 $
DG
M-NTC
UFA - 3
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863 333 $863 333 $ (Bonis de performance850 000 $$850K)
DD
RFA - 1
Logo de Red Wings de Detroit
4 750 000 $4 750 000 $
G
M-NTC
UFA - 2
Logo de Red Wings de Detroit
3 000 000 $3 000 000 $
DG
UFA - 2
Logo de Penguins de Pittsburgh
2 343 750 $2 343 750 $
DD
M-NTC, NMC
UFA - 2
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4 687 500 $4 687 500 $
G
M-NTC
UFA - 1
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4 750 000 $4 750 000 $
DG/DD
M-NTC
UFA - 3
3 000 000 $3 000 000 $
DD
UFA - 3
Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
Logo de Red Wings de Detroit
1 100 000 $1 100 000 $
AD, AG
RFA - 1
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4 000 000 $4 000 000 $
AG
UFA - 2
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894 167 $894 167 $ (Bonis de performance850 000 $$850K)
DG
RFA - 3

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20 juin 2023 à 18 h 44
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Sure!
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20 juin 2023 à 18 h 49
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Sure!


We'd even take Carter too if he would waive
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20 juin 2023 à 18 h 51
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We'd even take Carter too if he would waive


He wouldn't fit under the cap but I get what you're saying, lol.
20 juin 2023 à 18 h 52
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Quoting: RedWing9119
He wouldn't fit under the cap but I get what you're saying, lol.


Throw Fabs on LTIR and definitely not signing Tarasenko according to Yzerman today.
20 juin 2023 à 18 h 55
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GSVA is an awful metric don’t be fooled
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20 juin 2023 à 18 h 57
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Quoting: mmccRed198913
Throw Fabs on LTIR and definitely not signing Tarasenko according to Yzerman today.


He mentioned addressing our needs in free agency. There's no better scorers in this class than tank. We don't need the cap space and we need the scoring. Age isn't a factor because we re not trading assets for him.
20 juin 2023 à 18 h 58
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I would love this.
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20 juin 2023 à 18 h 59
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So much nonsensical money on the books.
20 juin 2023 à 18 h 59
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Quoting: SK101
GSVA is an awful metric don’t be fooled


Fooled by what? A model that assigns value to draft picks? Pick any model you want they all say similar things. I used to use Eric Tlusky's model but he took it down. Either way these trade are fair based on comparable trades.
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20 juin 2023 à 19 h 3
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I don't think thats enough for Vancouver to move back 6 spots in a deep draft. maybe take out the 3rd and we'd do it.
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20 juin 2023 à 19 h 3
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Quoting: PuzzledActuary
So much nonsensical money on the books.


Not sure what you mean by nonsensical but yeah Granlund and Petry aren't great but it's 2 years when we're not making the playoffs anyway. In fact most of the UFA signings will be gone before we compete as well.
20 juin 2023 à 19 h 4
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I don't think thats enough for Vancouver to move back 6 spots in a deep draft. maybe take out the 3rd and we'd do it.


Maybe switch the 3rd to your later one?
20 juin 2023 à 19 h 18
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Not sure what you mean by nonsensical but yeah Granlund and Petry aren't great but it's 2 years when we're not making the playoffs anyway. In fact most of the UFA signings will be gone before we compete as well.


Yeah sure but you only have $1.2M in cap space and there's no flexibility at all to make any moves, should an opportunity arise.

Tarasenko for 5 years? Maybe 5 years ago, sure.
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20 juin 2023 à 19 h 22
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Honestly, I don't like the Pens deal.
I detest the idea of using the 14th overall pick on cap dumping a player(s). I think we would get a lot more value out of trading it for an impact player or just picking someone ourselves.
Granlund's buyout is really easy to deal with and I think the only reason it hasn't happened yet is Dubas wants to see if he can unload Granny for a more reasonable cost than this.
The list of available options to replace Petry at 2nd pairing RD is insanely slim. Dumba, Mayfield, maybe Klingberg are the only players that caliber. I'd rather just keep Petry over the hope that we'll win the bidding war for one of them.
20 juin 2023 à 19 h 23
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Quoting: PuzzledActuary
Yeah sure but you only have $1.2M in cap space and there's no flexibility at all to make any moves, should an opportunity arise.

Tarasenko for 5 years? Maybe 5 years ago, sure.


What moves? Were not making the playoffs. Besides someone will be injured 3 games into the season anyway. Next year there's plenty of cap.
20 juin 2023 à 19 h 25
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Honestly, I don't like the Pens deal.
I detest the idea of using the 14th overall pick on cap dumping a player(s). I think we would get a lot more value out of trading it for an impact player or just picking someone ourselves.
Granlund's buyout is really easy to deal with and I think the only reason it hasn't happened yet is Dubas wants to see if he can unload Granny for a more reasonable cost than this.
The list of available options to replace Petry at 2nd pairing RD is insanely slim. Dumba, Mayfield, maybe Klingberg are the only players that caliber. I'd rather just keep Petry over the hope that we'll win the bidding war for one of them.


I respect what you're saying but to be fair you do have a guy running things who makes trades just like this.
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20 juin 2023 à 19 h 33
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Other than Tarasenko;

I'd love this.
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20 juin 2023 à 19 h 42
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I respect what you're saying but to be fair you do have a guy running things who makes trades just like this.


Dubas looooves his late picks
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20 juin 2023 à 19 h 43
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leafs flat out decline. they traded mrazek, who had 2 years left on the deal. only making about 400k less and only moved down 15 spots. this makes no logical sense to trade the first with murray and only get two thirds... they are going to buy him out. it only puts 640k in cap on them
20 juin 2023 à 19 h 55
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leafs flat out decline. they traded mrazek, who had 2 years left on the deal. only making about 400k less and only moved down 15 spots. this makes no logical sense to trade the first with murray and only get two thirds... they are going to buy him out. it only puts 640k in cap on them


That's definitely an option but it's worse next year just when the Matthews extension kicks in. What's that gonna cost 15 million? I'm guessing you're going to need every penny in 2024 even if the cap goes up.
20 juin 2023 à 19 h 57
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Quoting: JoeROFLCOPTER
Other than Tarasenko;

I'd love this.

I didn’t even look at the free agent signings. I concur.
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20 juin 2023 à 19 h 58
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That's definitely an option but it's worse next year just when the Matthews extension kicks in. What's that gonna cost 15 million? I'm guessing you're going to need every penny in 2024 even if the cap goes up.


cap will probably being going up 3-5 million next year
matthews is rumored to only be getting 13 million
20 juin 2023 à 20 h 1
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cap will probably being going up 3-5 million next year
matthews is rumored to only be getting 13 million


Not the rumors I've heard. Either way cap will be at a premium.
20 juin 2023 à 20 h 4
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Not the rumors I've heard. Either way cap will be at a premium.


Bettman stated that the cap will be going up by 1M lol what are these guys talking about
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Quoting: RedWing9119
I respect what you're saying but to be fair you do have a guy running things who makes trades just like this.


Dubas has been in a position to need to make those types of moves pretty often. The cap space taken up by Toronto's core 4 means that the margins for their cap are thinner than most teams. Putting a good, cap compliant team around them requires risks and sacrifices.

The Pens don't really have that problem. They have around $20M in cap space right now. They have some big holes to fill, but Dubas has a lot more flexibility in how they get filled than he usually does.
I don't really think this type of move is necessary. It doesn't mean Dubas won't, but IMO it makes it much less likely that he will.
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