Even to dump suter and faksa I doubt Dallas moves stankoven

Stankoven is more apart of the price of acquiring Seth Jones.

I get that but jones isn't worth that even dumping the others

He’s definitely a top pair D, so maybe he is?

Nah.

Not really but...

Jones is good, not great. He could play top pair but on a good team is a #3. What do #2-3 defenders go for on the high end? Well hronek went for a 1st and 2nd and with a 4th. That should be the ceiling for a jones return

Jones > Hronek.

Also if you compare Jones to Severson’s contract it’s not bad considering jones is top pair and 2 way.

Most top pairing offensive defensemen on good teams have the benefit of a proper partner and all around team that can pull their own weight defensively, as well as decent goaltending that doesn't let in soft goals constantly. When he was in CBJ and NSH, he had that for stretches and looked great. You put him on a good team and he is still a bonafide top 4/top pairing defenseman. Will he be that closer to the end of his contract? Who knows. But at 28 years old he still has all his tools and doesn't look like he has slowed down, is hiding injuries, or lost a step in the least bit. He looks more calm and focused than ever.

I like Jfresh and his visualizations of advanced stats but after he posted Jones card when it was red a couple years ago he did irreversible damage to his reputation.

I think Jfresh is an elitist and a schmuck. His model, like all models, can be useful in some aspects. But people give it too much weight. And he uses his pedestal to talk crap and manipulate data and facts to sway public opinion to conform with his own opinions, ideas, and preferences, all the time. Maybe I'm just irrationally biased, though.

Everyone has bad takes and moments, I definitely agree with what you said about him at least conveniently presenting data to support his claims.

Sure. I know I get in my moods too. But still, I gave him a shot and quickly got the feeling his following was a bit too culty for my taste.