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Créé par: mferraro
Équipe: 2023-24 Maple Leafs de Toronto
Date de création initiale: 15 juin 2023
Publié: 16 juin 2023
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
Signatures de joueurs autonomes
RFAANSCAP HIT
2950 000 $
1825 000 $
1825 000 $
23 900 000 $
1875 000 $
UFAANSCAP HIT
35 000 000 $
21 500 000 $
1900 000 $
11 000 000 $
Transactions
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TOR
  1. Choix de 2e ronde en 2023 (DET)
  2. Choix de 3e ronde en 2023 (DET)
  3. Choix de 6e ronde en 2023 (DET)
DET
  1. Choix de 1e ronde en 2023 (BOS)
2.
TOR
  1. Choix de 6e ronde en 2023 (PHI)
3.
TOR
CHI
  1. Murray, Matt (1 500 000 $ retained)
  2. Choix de 3e ronde en 2024 (NYI)
4.
TOR
  1. DeMelo, Dylan
  2. Lowry, Adam (1 250 000 $ retained)
WPG
    Picks, Prospects, Young players further down our depth chart
    Transactions impliquant une retenue de salaire
    Repêchage1e ronde2e ronde3e ronde4e ronde5e ronde6e ronde7e ronde
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    2025
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    TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS Info-bulleBONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
    2383 500 000 $83 481 450 $0 $0 $18 550 $
    Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
    Logo de Maple Leafs de Toronto
    925 000 $925 000 $
    AG, AD
    RFA - 2
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    11 640 250 $11 640 250 $
    C
    NMC
    UFA - 1
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    10 903 000 $10 903 000 $
    AD
    NMC
    UFA - 2
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    11 000 000 $11 000 000 $
    C, AG
    NMC
    UFA - 2
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    5 000 000 $5 000 000 $
    C
    UFA - 4
    Logo de Maple Leafs de Toronto
    6 962 366 $6 962 366 $
    AD
    NMC
    UFA - 1
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    2 100 000 $2 100 000 $
    AD, C, AG
    M-NTC
    UFA - 3
    Logo de Jets de Winnipeg
    2 000 000 $2 000 000 $
    C
    M-NTC
    UFA - 3
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    1 500 000 $1 500 000 $
    C, AD
    UFA - 3
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    875 000 $875 000 $
    AG, C
    RFA - 2
    Logo de Maple Leafs de Toronto
    950 000 $950 000 $
    C, AG
    RFA - 2
    900 000 $900 000 $
    C, AD
    UFA - 2
    Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
    Logo de Maple Leafs de Toronto
    7 500 000 $7 500 000 $
    DG
    NMC
    UFA - 7
    Logo de Jets de Winnipeg
    3 000 000 $3 000 000 $
    DD
    M-NTC
    UFA - 1
    Logo de Maple Leafs de Toronto
    3 900 000 $3 900 000 $
    G
    UFA - 1
    Logo de Maple Leafs de Toronto
    5 000 000 $5 000 000 $
    DG/DD
    M-NTC
    UFA - 1
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    1 400 000 $1 400 000 $
    DD
    RFA - 1
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    766 667 $766 667 $
    G
    RFA - 2
    Logo de Maple Leafs de Toronto
    2 000 000 $2 000 000 $
    DG/DD
    M-NTC
    UFA - 2
    Logo de Maple Leafs de Toronto
    1 100 000 $1 100 000 $
    DD
    RFA - 2
    Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
    Logo de Maple Leafs de Toronto
    796 667 $796 667 $
    AG, AD
    RFA - 1
    Logo de Maple Leafs de Toronto
    5 625 000 $5 625 000 $
    DG
    M-NTC
    UFA - 1
    1 000 000 $1 000 000 $
    DG
    UFA - 1
    Logo de Maple Leafs de Toronto
    762 500 $762 500 $
    AD, AG
    UFA - 1
    Équipe de réserve
    Logo de Maple Leafs de Toronto
    800 000 $800 000 $ (0 $$00 $$0)
    DG
    UFA - 1

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    16 juin 2023 à 19 h 45
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    No, no ,no... if you are going to trade Lafferty just include him in the Murray trade for that weak offer...
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    16 juin 2023 à 19 h 48
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    Detroit accepts
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    16 juin 2023 à 19 h 49
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    Jets are not trading either of those guys especially not for B or C prospects! Not that they are high end players but they are important players in Winnipeg. They for certain wont retain salary either.
    Perhaps I can interest you in a 36 year old right winger making 8.25 million? Hes still decent, probably put up 50+ points.
    16 juin 2023 à 19 h 51
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    Quoting: RicXX
    No, no ,no... if you are going to trade Lafferty just include him in the Murray trade for that weak offer...


    You literally posted a trade for full Murray retention for our 1st and getting your 2nd back. Moving back in the draft from late 1st to 2nd round is worth a 3rd round pick and a late pick. Go look at draft day trades over the past couple years... This is basically the exact same value as that except we ate 1.5m...

    I don't think you have a clue what you are talking about.

    Add whatever pick you want so you can arbitrarily win the trade on Armchair GM. I just needed his cap off the books so manifest it how you like.
    16 juin 2023 à 19 h 56
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    Quoting: Ducky10
    Jets are not trading either of those guys especially not for B or C prospects! Not that they are high end players but they are important players in Winnipeg. They for certain wont retain salary either.
    Perhaps I can interest you in a 36 year old right winger making 8.25 million? Hes still decent, probably put up 50+ points.


    I didn't realize how important those pieces are for you guys... an overpaid bottom 6 player and a pending UFA. Why are they so integral to Winnipeg where they wouldn't trade them? Especially considering the retool you guys are going to be looking at soon. I don't understand it from a hockey perspective.
    16 juin 2023 à 19 h 59
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    Quoting: CoachCoach
    Detroit accepts


    I figured they would be a good candidate to move up. I think 3 picks in a row is bad JuJu anyways squinty smile
    16 juin 2023 à 20 h 0
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    Quoting: mferraro
    I figured they would be a good candidate to move up. I think 3 picks in a row is bad JuJu anyways squinty smile


    Yes and yes 😂
    16 juin 2023 à 20 h 4
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    Quoting: mferraro
    I didn't realize how important those pieces are for you guys... an overpaid bottom 6 player and a pending UFA. Why are they so integral to Winnipeg where they wouldn't trade them? Especially considering the retool you guys are going to be looking at soon. I don't understand it from a hockey perspective.


    Its not that they wouldn't trade them, just not for scraps as suggested here. I realize that neither will command a high return therefore, their value is greater to the team and the city than what they would get for them. There has not been a player since Trouba that has complimented Morrisey as well as Demelo has and Lowry will very likely be the next captain. He is a major culture carrier and someone who loves being in Winnipeg. He plays the way the community wants the game to be played. These fact cannot be ignored. Hope that helps.
    16 juin 2023 à 20 h 18
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    Quoting: Ducky10
    Its not that they wouldn't trade them, just not for scraps as suggested here. I realize that neither will command a high return therefore, their value is greater to the team and the city than what they would get for them. There has not been a player since Trouba that has complimented Morrisey as well as Demelo has and Lowry will very likely be the next captain. He is a major culture carrier and someone who loves being in Winnipeg. He plays the way the community wants the game to be played. These fact cannot be ignored. Hope that helps.


    How did I suggest they are traded for scraps when I didn’t even specify a return? How are prospects and picks scraps. That’s absurd.

    Having reasons why you don’t want to trade them is understandable, but saying I suggested scraps for them when I left the return up to your own imagination is odd and I don’t understand how you would come to that conclusion.

    Didn’t put a price tag on either player but somehow it’s scraps. Thanks for the insight.
    16 juin 2023 à 20 h 27
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    Quoting: CoachCoach
    Detroit accepts


    Depending on who is still on the board.
    16 juin 2023 à 20 h 30
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    Quoting: aedoran
    Depending on who is still on the board.


    It’s assumed any team trading up is doing it for a player they like.
    16 juin 2023 à 21 h 52
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    Quoting: mferraro
    How did I suggest they are traded for scraps when I didn’t even specify a return? How are prospects and picks scraps. That’s absurd.

    Having reasons why you don’t want to trade them is understandable, but saying I suggested scraps for them when I left the return up to your own imagination is odd and I don’t understand how you would come to that conclusion.

    Didn’t put a price tag on either player but somehow it’s scraps. Thanks for the insight.


    “Picks, prospects and players further down our depth chart”

    Pretty clear to me. Apologies if the word scraps offends you but…
    17 juin 2023 à 9 h 22
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    Quoting: Ducky10
    “Picks, prospects and players further down our depth chart”

    Pretty clear to me. Apologies if the word scraps offends you but…


    Yeah those two guys should be traded for more than picks and prospects. Other teams should have to add elite players back in the deals my apologies Winnipeg fans.
    17 juin 2023 à 16 h 49
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    Quoting: mferraro
    Yeah those two guys should be traded for more than picks and prospects. Other teams should have to add elite players back in the deals my apologies Winnipeg fans.


    My guy, no reason to be facetious. That is not at all what I said, you are creating a narrative that did not exist. My point is, I fully understand that those 2 players are not going to fetch a return even good players, therefore it makes more sense to keep them than trade them away for what would likely be 3rd and 4th round picks or B and C prospects. Keep it classy Mario!
    17 juin 2023 à 16 h 59
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    Quoting: Ducky10
    My guy, no reason to be facetious. That is not at all what I said, you are creating a narrative that did not exist. My point is, I fully understand that those 2 players are not going to fetch a return even good players, therefore it makes more sense to keep them than trade them away for what would likely be 3rd and 4th round picks or B and C prospects. Keep it classy Mario!


    No one but you said 3rd and 4th rd picks. I intentionally didn't list a return to avoid WPG fans being upset by the return and you've still done it. Incredible.
    17 juin 2023 à 19 h 12
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    Quoting: mferraro
    No one but you said 3rd and 4th rd picks. I intentionally didn't list a return to avoid WPG fans being upset by the return and you've still done it. Incredible.


    I’m sorry, please define farther down our depth chart then. Go back and read the entire conversation. I am not upset at all, you are the one getting all worked up my dude! I simply answered your question and you went off because I interpreted your comment in the trade as scraps!! Sheesh
     
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