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Créé par: ecupirate07

Équipe: 2023-24 Hurricanes de la Caroline

Date de création initiale: 15 juin 2023

Publié: 16 juin 2023

Mode - plafond salarial: Basique

Description

All that movement and we only lost 3 roster players. pretty good.

If we give Aho 8x 10 million, Jarvis 8 x 7, Demelo 4 x4, Chatfield 5 x 3, and Nino a 4 x 5

that would leave us with 8.5 million to keep Martinook, get a 3LD, 2 extras, 1 4th liner, and 1 3rd winger for 24-25. That is doable.

but this all fantasy as I dont see the Jets' fans liking the trade. Necas wants to play center. Jets will need a center with Scheifele and PLD likely gone. Extend necas with a nice 8 year deal to play center and he'll be just fine.

Signatures de joueurs autonomes

UFA	ANS	CAP HIT
Andersen, Frederik	2	4 500 000 $
MacEachern, Mackenzie	1	775 000 $
Staal, Jordan	2	3 500 000 $
Acciari, Noel	2	1 650 000 $

Transactions

CAR

3 way trade glitch again.

BUF

Jokiharju, Henri

CAR

Rosén, Isak
Choix de 1e ronde en 2023 (BUF)
Choix de 2e ronde en 2024 (BUF)

BUF

Pesce, Brett

Détails additionnels:

pesce extended

CAR

Choix de 1e ronde en 2023 (DAL)
Choix de 1e ronde en 2023 (TOR)

STL

Choix de 1e ronde en 2023 (BUF)

CAR

PHI

Drury, Jack
Gunler, Noel
Choix de 1e ronde en 2023 (DAL)
Choix de 1e ronde en 2023 (TOR)
Choix de 2e ronde en 2024 (BUF)

CAR

Détails additionnels:

Morrissey for Necas, 1st and Morrow. Rosen and 2 2nds for Nino and Demelo

WPG

Morrow, Scott [Liste de réserve]
Necas, Martin
Rosén, Isak
Choix de 1e ronde en 2023 (CAR)
Choix de 2e ronde en 2023 (CAR)
Choix de 2e ronde en 2024 (PHI)

Repêchage	1e ronde	2e ronde	3e ronde	4e ronde	5e ronde	6e ronde	7e ronde
2023
2024
2025

FORMATION

VUE À LONG TERME

INTÉGRÉ

TEXTE INTÉGRÉ

TAILLE DE LA FORMATION	PLAFOND SALARIAL	CAP HIT	EXCÉDENTS	BONIS	ESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
22	83 500 000 $	81 879 417 $	450 000 $	500 000 $	1 620 583 $

Ailier gauche	Centre	Ailier droit
Svechnikov, Andrei 7 750 000 $7 750 000 $ AG, AD UFA - 6	Aho, Sebastian 8 460 250 $8 460 250 $ C UFA - 1	Konecny, Travis 5 500 000 $5 500 000 $ AD, AG UFA - 2
Niederreiter, Nino 4 000 000 $4 000 000 $ AG, AD UFA - 1	Kotkaniemi, Jesperi 4 820 000 $4 820 000 $ C UFA - 7	Jarvis, Seth 894 167 $894 167 $ (500 000 $$500K) AD RFA - 1
Laughton, Scott 3 000 000 $3 000 000 $ C, AG UFA - 3	Staal, Jordan 3 500 000 $3 500 000 $ C, AG UFA - 4	Teräväinen, Teuvo 5 400 000 $5 400 000 $ AG, AD M-NTC UFA - 1
Martinook, Jordan 1 800 000 $1 800 000 $ AG, AD UFA - 1	Acciari, Noel 1 650 000 $1 650 000 $ C, AD UFA - 3	Noesen, Stefan 762 500 $762 500 $ AG, AD UFA - 1

Défenseur gaucher	Défenseur droitier	Gardien de but
Slavin, Jaccob 5 300 000 $5 300 000 $ DG M-NTC UFA - 2	Burns, Brent 5 280 000 $5 280 000 $ DD M-NTC UFA - 2	Kochetkov, Pyotr 2 000 000 $2 000 000 $ G UFA - 4
Morrissey, Joshua 6 250 000 $6 250 000 $ DG NMC UFA - 5	DeMelo, Dylan 3 000 000 $3 000 000 $ DD M-NTC UFA - 1	Andersen, Frederik 4 500 000 $4 500 000 $ G UFA - 2
Skjei, Brady 5 250 000 $5 250 000 $ DG M-NTC UFA - 1	Chatfield, Jalen 762 500 $762 500 $ DD UFA - 1

Laissés de côté	Liste des blessés (IR)	Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
MacEachern, Mackenzie 775 000 $775 000 $ AG, AD UFA - 2
Seeler, Nick 775 000 $775 000 $ DG/DD UFA - 1

16 juin 2023 à 9 h 4

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I'd want Morrow instead of Drury if I were the Flyers.

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16 juin 2023 à 9 h 8

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Quoting: sk540

I'd want Morrow instead of Drury if I were the Flyers.

I had a trade approval for Laughton and Seeler for drury, a 2nd, and gunler. I knew Philly was asking 2 1sts for TK. Basically I just mashed the 2 trades together.

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16 juin 2023 à 9 h 17

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Quoting: ecupirate07

I had a trade approval for Laughton and Seeler for drury, a 2nd, and gunler. I knew Philly was asking 2 1sts for TK. Basically I just mashed the 2 trades together.

One person saying they would take that trade doesn’t speak for everyone. I agree that the Flyers would want Morrow. They need help at C, yes but they want to focus on building out the defense. Especially with a forward heavy draft they will be targeting D prospects in trade, especially RHD ( as they already showed with the provorov deal)

16 juin 2023 à 9 h 18

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Quoting: GirouxCrew

sure but this individual was only one saying yes or no. what was i supposed to do? I could sub in Heimosalmi in this deal instead of Gunler. Morrow is already spoken for.

16 juin 2023 à 9 h 26

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Quoting: ecupirate07

sure but this individual was only one saying yes or no. what was i supposed to do? I could sub in Heimosalmi in this deal instead of Gunler. Morrow is already spoken for.

Yeah you are going backwards there with that sub in terms of value. I didn’t say we’d take just any RHD. And btw you are getting absolutely robbed in that WPG trade. A high quality RD prospect, a young almost PPG forward, a recent former first rounder , a 1st round pick and 2 seconds for a defenseman who just had a career year and you don’t know if they will repeat that, a 3rd pair dman and a goo middle 6 winger. WPG takes that and loses your number so you don’t try to take it back

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16 juin 2023 à 9 h 31

ecupirate07

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Quoting: GirouxCrew

unfortunately, you have to ay overpay or way underpay to generate discussion and its is an overpay, it is what it is. Heimo isnt just any RHD. THW had him as the 88th prospect in the league. Gunler isnt on the list.

we would likely shrink the deal down to keep morrow out instead of moving Morrow inter-division.

16 juin 2023 à 9 h 32

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Sabres give you Rosen or the 1st. Definitely don't get both.

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16 juin 2023 à 9 h 35

ecupirate07

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Quoting: JLance

Sabres give you Rosen or the 1st. Definitely don't get both.

you would be the first to say that so, ill take it under consideration. Buffalo fans have accepted the idea.

16 juin 2023 à 10 h 3

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Quoting: ecupirate07

you would be the first to say that so, ill take it under consideration. Buffalo fans have accepted the idea.

Take a look at the top 4 defenseman market in the past year. I can promise you, you won't get both from Buffalo, nor will you get similar value from any other team. 13 and Rosen? And a 2nd? Feel free to revisit this post, post-trade.

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16 juin 2023 à 10 h 5

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Quoting: JLance

i would have promised you wouldnt get more than a 3rd round pick for Jeannot but i was wrong. I dont find the dealing of pesce to be overly realistic anyways. even then taken Rosen out of the deal isnt a huge thing cuz I overpaid Winnipeg anyways. So we would just take him out of that deal with little issue.

16 juin 2023 à 10 h 11

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Quoting: ecupirate07

Apples and screwdrivers my man. The Sabres are not the Lightning in their competitive curve. If Pesce doesn't re-sign, they all but came out and said he's getting traded. So, until that extension is in place, you're already dealing with the 'negative' value of teams knowing you want/need to trade him before the TDL to get any value for him.

The Sabres 1st, Sabres 2nd or Jokiharju is probably close. This value resembles both Provorov and Chychrun, respectively given their ages, terms and talent.

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16 juin 2023 à 10 h 20

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Quoting: JLance

not apples and screwdrivers. i mean GMs value players and contracts differently. Doesnt mean Adams wont overvalue Pesce if he really believes he helps put them over the hump and finally get into the playoffs.

16 juin 2023 à 10 h 24

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Quoting: ecupirate07

As the market has shown, top 4 defensemen can be had. Pesce is not the only guy around the league in his class of player. I really do encourage you to take a trip through the defensive trades in the past even two years. The only guy who exceeded the value of a 1st and a 2nd was Seth Jones, as he's seen/was seen as a top pair defenseman.

Look, if I'm wrong, feel free to put me on blast. I'm pretty confident I won't be.

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16 juin 2023 à 10 h 25

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Quoting: JLance

As the market has shown, top 4 defensemen can be had. Pesce is not the only guy around the league in his class of player. I really do encourage you to take a trip through the defensive trades in the past even two years. The only guy who exceeded the value of a 1st and a 2nd (+ maybe additional minor pieces) was Seth Jones, as he's seen/was seen as a top pair defenseman.

Look, if I'm wrong, feel free to put me on blast. I'm pretty confident I won't be.

16 juin 2023 à 10 h 26

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Quoting: JLance

i have 0 need to put you on blast if you are wrong. you arent trolling me. we are just having a discussion here.

16 juin 2023 à 10 h 27

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Quoting: ecupirate07

Quoting: JLance

i have 0 need to put you on blast if you are wrong. you arent trolling me. we are just having a discussion here.

Noted, I would still love to revisit in the case of an actual trade to discuss.

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17 juin 2023 à 10 h 37

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Jarvis will need to have 60-80 points this year to get 8 x 7. I see him as a bridge at 3-4 years at 4-5 mil

17 juin 2023 à 10 h 44

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Quoting: canesfan2086

Jarvis will need to have 60-80 points this year to get 8 x 7. I see him as a bridge at 3-4 years at 4-5 mil

That’s not how contract extensions work for young players

17 juin 2023 à 10 h 47

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Quoting: ecupirate07

That’s not how contract extensions work for young players

?????

Not every RFA gets an 8 year deal coming right off their ELC…

17 juin 2023 à 10 h 51

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Quoting: canesfan2086

?????

Not every RFA gets an 8 year deal coming right off their ELC…

you give a guy money for 8 years based on their projections. If he you think he is a 70-80 point guy, you sign him to a deal that pays him like that over 8 years knowing he will likely grow beyond that. but he if he reaches 70-80 points he will cost more than 7 million per because he will likely grow beyond that from 23-27.

17 juin 2023 à 11 h 4

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Quoting: ecupirate07

I guess I’m thinking more that Jarvis would rather take a bridge and bet on himself and the cap going up

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