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Reasonable 2nd OA trade for both

Créé par: Caufield
Équipe: 2023-24 Canadiens de Montréal
Date de création initiale: 15 juin 2023
Publié: 15 juin 2023
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
Transactions
MTL
  1. Choix de 1e ronde en 2023 (ANA)
  2. Choix de 5e ronde en 2023 (ANA)
ANA
  1. Hutson, Lane [Liste de réserve]
  2. Choix de 1e ronde en 2023 (FLA)
  3. Choix de 1e ronde en 2023 (MTL)
Détails additionnels:
Not saying either team does that, but value-wise, this is what we are looking at. (Choice of Hutson or Guhle, but I think Hutson might be worth more)
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TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS Info-bulleBONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2083 500 000 $67 724 166 $1 170 000 $4 195 000 $15 775 834 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
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4 500 000 $4 500 000 $
AG
UFA - 1
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7 875 000 $7 875 000 $
C
UFA - 7
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6 500 000 $6 500 000 $
AD, AG
M-NTC, NMC
UFA - 4
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1 100 000 $1 100 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 1
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4 450 000 $4 450 000 $
C
M-NTC
UFA - 2
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5 500 000 $5 500 000 $
AD, AG
M-NTC
UFA - 4
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812 500 $812 500 $
AG, AD
UFA - 2
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3 362 500 $3 362 500 $
C, AD
RFA - 3
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3 400 000 $3 400 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 2
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1 700 000 $1 700 000 $
C
UFA - 2
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
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4 875 000 $4 875 000 $
DG
M-NTC
UFA - 3
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3 500 000 $3 500 000 $
DD
UFA - 2
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1 925 000 $1 925 000 $
G
M-NTC
UFA - 2
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875 000 $875 000 $
DG/DD
M-NTC
UFA - 1
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925 000 $925 000 $ (Bonis de performance275 000 $$275K)
DD
RFA - 1
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1 000 000 $1 000 000 $
G
UFA - 1
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1 400 000 $1 400 000 $
DG/DD
RFA - 2
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766 667 $766 667 $
DD
UFA - 2
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863 333 $863 333 $ (Bonis de performance420 000 $$420K)
DG/DD
RFA - 2
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762 500 $762 500 $
DD
UFA - 1
Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
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7 850 000 $7 850 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 8
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10 500 000 $10 500 000 $
G
NMC
UFA - 3
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950 000 $950 000 $ (Bonis de performance3 500 000 $$4M)
AD, AG
RFA - 2
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828 333 $828 333 $
DG/DD
RFA - 1

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15 juin 2023 à 19 h 39
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If I'm Anaheim I'd do that I guess each person's value would depend on how highly they value fantilli and Hutson as players (obviously). I will say though if San Jose selects will smith at 4 and that gives Anaheim in this scenario a chance to pick up michkov and then they also have Hutson, and they maybe get a guy like Daniel But with Florida's pick then Anaheims future would be looking bright.
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15 juin 2023 à 19 h 46
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I’m an outsider in this, but why wouldn’t Anaheim just ask for 5OA and Caufield, and if/when that isn’t taken, negotiate the price down, to a deal that could be even more favorable than this one? I mean, assuming both teams would have elected to go with C in their current positions, the difference between 2OA and 5OA could be the difference between a 1C and a 2C.
High offense wingers aren’t that hard to replace, whereas you kind of have to draft and develop your own 1C.
15 juin 2023 à 19 h 51
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IMO Hughes Always said he prefers Prospects in Mctavish's position in his ELC/career over picks of similar value and acquiring Dach showed he can be aggressive.
Cheaper to offer them 5th OA for Mctavish or Zegras (obviously in a package not 1 for 1)

I mean if they could draft Fantilli and Smith in the same draft that puts Mctavish ,Fantilli and Smith's contracts at about 2-3 years apart from when ELC's end at the earliest
Fantilli will play next season to replace Zegras(More accurately Mctavish as he replaces Zegras)
Smith will take 1-2 years in the NCAA likely 2 then end the year playing 9-12 games with ANA
Now ANA has 3 top 5 drafted Centers in their line up by March 2024-25 season
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15 juin 2023 à 19 h 55
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Quoting: evelutions2
I’m an outsider in this, but why wouldn’t Anaheim just ask for 5OA and Caufield, and if/when that isn’t taken, negotiate the price down, to a deal that could be even more favorable than this one? I mean, assuming both teams would have elected to go with C in their current positions, the difference between 2OA and 5OA could be the difference between a 1C and a 2C.
High offense wingers aren’t that hard to replace, whereas you kind of have to draft and develop your own 1C.


2009 Kovalev left
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MTL fans arent so lucky
They all crap out for one reason or another with consistency issues
Clutch Goal Scorers though ? The only one ill listen to an argument on is Mike Cammaleri our last PPG Playoff Player our GM Disgraced our team by removing his jersey after trading him mid game.
Even then it comes back to consistency to make them a High Offensive Winger
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15 juin 2023 à 19 h 55
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Modifié 15 juin 2023 à 20 h 1
ANA decline.
First, we don't need defence as we are stacked in that department. We would rather accept wingers.
Second ANA doesn't have to trade as Fan as he sets us up down centre shifting Z to the wing, where his game is more suited.
Fan is the best player to come out of the NCAA since Eichel and Kariya and we know good those guys are/went. Fan could be ANA future Franchise centre.
As of which the cost is going to be too high to the point mtl declines.
If you really want a price it would be
-2023 1st MTL
-Slaf or Cole
-and I'd like to see Dach added but I'd be happy without him.
Yes, you are probably going to say I'm smoking something. But, when people are desperate stupidity takes over.
Mtl would be better off not trading for the 2nd OA.
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15 juin 2023 à 20 h 0
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ANA decline.
First, we don't need defence as we are stacked in that department. We would rather accept wingers.
Second ANA doesn't have to trade as Fan as he sets us up down centre shifting Z to the wing, where his game is more suited.
Fan is the best player to come out of the NCAA since Eichel and Kariya and we know good those guys are. Fan could be ANA future Franchise centre.
As of which the cost is going to be too high to the point mtl declines.
If you really want a price it would be
-2023 1st MTL
-Slaf or Cole
-and I'd like to see Dach added but I'd be happy without him.
Yes, you are probably going to say I'm smoking something. But, when people are desperate stupidity takes over.


I definitely see where you're coming from, and I completely understand why ANA declines. I was trying to target the plain value, without considering positioning value. Obviously, ANA got a lot of D, and they are lacking wingers. But in Vacuum value, Slaf or Caufield would be too much and I would assume Dach would be a slice too low. Hutson does seem like the right value player for this trade, but I see why ANA declines. Honestly, I think MTL declines as well, but I wanted to put a 2nd OA trade which isn't awful value for one team or the other.
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15 juin 2023 à 20 h 2
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Quoting: Caufield
I definitely see where you're coming from, and I completely understand why ANA declines. I was trying to target the plain value, without considering positioning value. Obviously, ANA got a lot of D, and they are lacking wingers. But in Vacuum value, Slaf or Caufield would be too much and I would assume Dach would be a slice too low. Hutson does seem like the right value player for this trade, but I see why ANA declines. Honestly, I think MTL declines as well, but I wanted to put a 2nd OA trade which isn't awful value for one team or the other.


Honestly, you hit the nail on the head smile
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15 juin 2023 à 20 h 43
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This and all other "offers" I've seen for the second overall pick ignore the basic reality, which is that they look "reasonable" only from the guys holding #5. All of this posturing avoids the key issue, which is that Bedard and Fantilli are projected to be generational talents like McDavid and Eichel or perhaps MacKinnon and Draisaitl, and the guys at 3-4-5 aren't. This isn't a draft like last year's, where the consensus #1 actually went #4. Despite all the late talk about what a great prospect Leo Carlsson is, the undeniable fact is that there is a noticeable gap between the first two guys and the rest of the pack.

Looking at the 2015 (McDavid and Eichel) draft is instructive. There aren't three players in the 3 to 10 group from that year, and I consider at least 5 of them to be All-Stars, that you would prefer to have over Eichel (or MacKinnon or Draisaitl). And when you look at the players from 21 through 32, there aren't any two from the top 10 and one from the bottom 12 that you would take over Eichel or Draisaitl, either -- and at least 4 of those bottom 12 are outright busts. So this talk about #5 plus #31 is just silly due to the "zero value risk" of the later pick.

My point is that until proven otherwise, Fantilli is a franchise player. Carlsson, Smith and Michkov are hugely good prospects, but not franchise-level players, and neither Hutson nor Guhle nor even Caufield plus the #31 make up for that discrepancy. Anaheim won't be trading out of #2, and REALLY won't be trading out of #2 for a draft-pick-chart exchange.
15 juin 2023 à 20 h 49
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Rather just draft Reinbacher. Keep Hutson. Trade the FLO pick+ for PLD. Mtl is a lot better off than overpaying in this deal.
15 juin 2023 à 21 h 20
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This and all other "offers" I've seen for the second overall pick ignore the basic reality, which is that they look "reasonable" only from the guys holding #5. All of this posturing avoids the key issue, which is that Bedard and Fantilli are projected to be generational talents like McDavid and Eichel or perhaps MacKinnon and Draisaitl, and the guys at 3-4-5 aren't. This isn't a draft like last year's, where the consensus #1 actually went #4. Despite all the late talk about what a great prospect Leo Carlsson is, the undeniable fact is that there is a noticeable gap between the first two guys and the rest of the pack.

Looking at the 2015 (McDavid and Eichel) draft is instructive. There aren't three players in the 3 to 10 group from that year, and I consider at least 5 of them to be All-Stars, that you would prefer to have over Eichel (or MacKinnon or Draisaitl). And when you look at the players from 21 through 32, there aren't any two from the top 10 and one from the bottom 12 that you would take over Eichel or Draisaitl, either -- and at least 4 of those bottom 12 are outright busts. So this talk about #5 plus #31 is just silly due to the "zero value risk" of the later pick.

My point is that until proven otherwise, Fantilli is a franchise player. Carlsson, Smith and Michkov are hugely good prospects, but not franchise-level players, and neither Hutson nor Guhle nor even Caufield plus the #31 make up for that discrepancy. Anaheim won't be trading out of #2, and REALLY won't be trading out of #2 for a draft-pick-chart exchange.


If that's the case, Fantilli isn't traded for anything that has picks. It would be like an Extended Matthews or something
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15 juin 2023 à 21 h 31
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Ducks aren’t even going to pick up the phone if one Slafkovksy, Caufield, or Suzuki isn’t involved. We have Zellweger, Mintyukov, LaCombe and Luneau all who are high high upside defenseman.

We need elite wingers
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