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Number 5 pick for a number 1 pick

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Équipe: 2023-24 Canadiens de Montréal
Date de création initiale: 14 juin 2023
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    14 juin 2023 à 21 h 18
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    You must be tripping... PK is not on the market... The Hurricanes wouldn't deal him
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    14 juin 2023 à 21 h 20
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    14 juin 2023 à 21 h 21
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    Quoting: seanrushton
    You must be tripping... PK is not on the market... The Hurricanes wouldn't deal him


    He spent most of season in AHL. Carolina needs NHL goalies now.
    14 juin 2023 à 21 h 22
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    Montreal doesn't do that trade in a million years. I can think of more than 5 players in this draft I'd want over Lafreniere.
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    14 juin 2023 à 21 h 23
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    Quoting: AFox23
    He spent most of season in AHL. Carolina needs NHL goalies now.


    Tell me you have no idea what's going on in Carolina without telling me. Kochetkov is very young and a highly touted prospect.
    14 juin 2023 à 21 h 27
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    Quoting: pretzelcoatl
    Tell me you have no idea what's going on in Carolina without telling me. Kochetkov is very young and a highly touted prospect.


    Montreal is building for future and Carolina wants to win now. That is how it normally works.
    14 juin 2023 à 21 h 33
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    Quoting: AFox23
    He spent most of season in AHL. Carolina needs NHL goalies now.


    He spent most of the season in the AHL because the Hurricanes had two very good goalies in the NHL and they didn't have a need to rush him. Now that he's had a couple of years to develop in the AHL and proven that he can handle NHL starts, it's his time to take over the starter role
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    14 juin 2023 à 21 h 35
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    Quoting: pretzelcoatl
    Tell me you have no idea what's going on in Carolina without telling me. Kochetkov is very young and a highly touted prospect.


    Quoting: seanrushton
    He spent most of the season in the AHL because the Hurricanes had two very good goalies in the NHL and they didn't have a need to rush him. Now that he's had a couple of years to develop in the AHL and proven that he can handle NHL starts, it's his time to take over the starter role


    You guys are really arguing with someone with zero hockey knowledge 🤣
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    14 juin 2023 à 21 h 36
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    Quoting: TheRealisticGuy
    You guys are really arguing with someone with zero hockey knowledge 🤣


    But Hurricanes fans are bound by contract to complain about a trade like that
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    14 juin 2023 à 21 h 44
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    All of the top 5 players in this draft would be 1st over Laf in 2020.

    I would even say no teams in the top 10 would trade their picks for him. He's a good player and I dont want to diminish him but his progression since drafted does not jutsify that kind of gamble. We got Dach for 13th overall and late picks and he has basically the same kind of progression since drafted while playing in a premium position.

    Speaking of Dach, he's already not that far from PLD, younger, cheaper for at least 3 years. Im not saying it would not take that kind of offer to snatch PLD but it would be such a dumb move. Chances are Dach at 25 years old will be as productive and even if not, he's more reliable overall.

    I wouldnt even do a 1v1 PLD-Dach trade for those reasons even if PLD is more valuable right now.

    Oh and I like Barbashev, Hathaway and Soucy as UFA targets but its not yet the time to spend that kind of money and term commitment in our rebuild
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    14 juin 2023 à 21 h 50
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    Quoting: Daredevil514
    All of the top 5 players in this draft would be 1st over Laf in 2020.

    I would even say no teams in the top 10 would trade their picks for him. He's a good player and I dont want to diminish him but his progression since drafted does not jutsify that kind of gamble. We got Dach for 13th overall and late picks and he has basically the same kind of progression since drafted while playing in a premium position.

    Speaking of Dach, he's already not that far from PLD, younger, cheaper for at least 3 years. Im not saying it would not take that kind of offer to snatch PLD but it would be such a dumb move. Chances are Dach at 25 years old will be as productive and even if not, he's more reliable overall.

    I wouldnt even do a 1v1 PLD-Dach trade for those reasons even if PLD is more valuable right now.

    Oh and I like Barbashev, Hathaway and Soucy as UFA targets but its not yet the time to spend that kind of money and term commitment in our rebuild


    Laf with his draft year hype could go in the 3-5 range this year, he just turned out to be an epic bust
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    14 juin 2023 à 21 h 51
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    Montreal is building for future and Carolina wants to win now. That is how it normally works.


    So Carolina is gonna trade a top 10 goalie prospect (Wheeler, The Athletic) for a mid starter, a mid defenseman, and a 2nd?
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    14 juin 2023 à 22 h 1
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    Quoting: pretzelcoatl
    Laf with his draft year hype could go in the 3-5 range this year, he just turned out to be an epic bust


    Ok I give you that, I got some recency bias but I remember the hype was big and could rival with at least Carlsson and Smith. I stand by the rest of my comment tho!
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    14 juin 2023 à 22 h 11
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    Some overpays, Jets love it, Rangers love it.
    14 juin 2023 à 22 h 25
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    Quoting: seanrushton
    You must be tripping... PK is not on the market... The Hurricanes wouldn't deal him


    What? I'm a Canes fan, and I would probably make this deal.

    Why is Montreal trading Xhekaj?
    14 juin 2023 à 22 h 28
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    What? I'm a Canes fan, and I would probably make this deal.


    A sub-average goalie, a prospect, and 2nd for a young NHL-ready goalie is not a good deal for us.
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    14 juin 2023 à 22 h 30
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    14 juin 2023 à 22 h 39
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    Quoting: seanrushton
    A sub-average goalie, a prospect, and 2nd for a young NHL-ready goalie is not a good deal for us.


    Remind me again how many games Alex "goalie of the future" Nedeljkovic played for the Hurricanes before they traded him to Detroit for a 3rd round pick? 27. The exact same number than Kochetkov has played. The kid is still a rookie.

    The contract is great, yeah. But Allen is serviceable, and they'll likely re-sign Freddie. Xehkaj played almost 16 min. a night for the Canadiens, and that second rounder is pick number 37 next year, which can help them bring in a goal scorer.

    It's certainly one of the better trades I've seen on here. I'm much less tied to goalies than skaters.
    14 juin 2023 à 22 h 45
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    Quoting: PantsinmyPants1211
    Remind me again how many games Alex "goalie of the future" Nedeljkovic played for the Hurricanes before they traded him to Detroit for a 3rd round pick? 27. The exact same number than Kochetkov has played. The kid is still a rookie.

    The contract is great, yeah. But Allen is serviceable, and they'll likely re-sign Freddie. Xehkaj played almost 16 min. a night for the Canadiens, and that second rounder is pick number 37 next year, which can help them bring in a goal scorer.

    It's certainly one of the better trades I've seen on here. I'm much less tied to goalies than skaters.


    The difference is that Kochetkov is significantly younger than Ned and was recently rated a top 10 goalie prospect by the athletic. It would be like the Devils trading Schmid.
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    14 juin 2023 à 22 h 51
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    Quoting: AFox23
    He spent most of season in AHL. Carolina needs NHL goalies now.


    He spent most of the season in the NHL, but not the point. He's also 23
    15 juin 2023 à 6 h 15
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    Quoting: PantsinmyPants1211
    Remind me again how many games Alex "goalie of the future" Nedeljkovic played for the Hurricanes before they traded him to Detroit for a 3rd round pick? 27. The exact same number than Kochetkov has played. The kid is still a rookie.

    The contract is great, yeah. But Allen is serviceable, and they'll likely re-sign Freddie. Xehkaj played almost 16 min. a night for the Canadiens, and that second rounder is pick number 37 next year, which can help them bring in a goal scorer.

    It's certainly one of the better trades I've seen on here. I'm much less tied to goalies than skaters.


    But in terms of value, Kocketkov is certainly more valuable than Allen who hasn't been particularly good these last couple of years. I mean Xehkaj and the 2nd are great but it's shooting themselves in the foot by giving away a guy with a really high ceiling who's going to contribute on the big team next year at the most important position
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    15 juin 2023 à 7 h 46
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    Quoting: PantsinmyPants1211
    Remind me again how many games Alex "goalie of the future" Nedeljkovic played for the Hurricanes before they traded him to Detroit for a 3rd round pick? 27. The exact same number than Kochetkov has played. The kid is still a rookie.

    The contract is great, yeah. But Allen is serviceable, and they'll likely re-sign Freddie. Xehkaj played almost 16 min. a night for the Canadiens, and that second rounder is pick number 37 next year, which can help them bring in a goal scorer.

    It's certainly one of the better trades I've seen on here. I'm much less tied to goalies than skaters.


    One of the better trade I've seen lmao MTL don't touch that with a 10 feet pole
    We ain't trading Xhekaj & 37th for Kochetkov

    The guy who made this doesn't know **** about hockey
    15 juin 2023 à 10 h 57
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    Quoting: Daredevil514
    All of the top 5 players in this draft would be 1st over Laf in 2020.

    I would even say no teams in the top 10 would trade their picks for him. He's a good player and I dont want to diminish him but his progression since drafted does not jutsify that kind of gamble. We got Dach for 13th overall and late picks and he has basically the same kind of progression since drafted while playing in a premium position.

    Speaking of Dach, he's already not that far from PLD, younger, cheaper for at least 3 years. Im not saying it would not take that kind of offer to snatch PLD but it would be such a dumb move. Chances are Dach at 25 years old will be as productive and even if not, he's more reliable overall.

    I wouldnt even do a 1v1 PLD-Dach trade for those reasons even if PLD is more valuable right now.

    Oh and I like Barbashev, Hathaway and Soucy as UFA targets but its not yet the time to spend that kind of money and term commitment in our rebuild


    Laf would be 3rd in this draft if you just consider pre-draft hype/stats. I think this is more of "this is what it would take NYR to trade him" than a "fair offer". NYR would only get rid of him for a massive overpayment.
    15 juin 2023 à 11 h 48
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    Laf would be 3rd in this draft if you just consider pre-draft hype/stats. I think this is more of "this is what it would take NYR to trade him" than a "fair offer". NYR would only get rid of him for a massive overpayment.


    Exactly which is why I think it might just be better to Offer Sheet him rather than hassle with the rangers front office
    15 juin 2023 à 12 h 53
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    Quoting: seanrushton
    Exactly which is why I think it might just be better to Offer Sheet him rather than hassle with the rangers front office


    Most teams that have the compensation + cap + none of their own RFAs to worry about are likely bottom feeders next year (MTL included), even with Laffy in the fold. What team is going to want to give up a good chance at #1 and Celebrini next year (or even Eiserman at #2)? There have been only 2 offer sheets that haven't been matched in 25 years (and only 2 put forward in the past 10 years). GMs don't like this route generally because of how risky it could be. Now if there was a Stanley Cup contender with the majority of their core signed long term, that had the cap space, yes I would be scared... but there is no team that really fits all three boxes that ALSO has the draft picks.

    The teams I see Montreal doing better than next year:
    Chicago
    San Jose
    Arizona
    Anaheim

    I think Columbus is going to take a massive step forward with the additions they made on D + Werenski and Jiricek playing all season.

    I view Montreal the same as the ducks-- have good players, but are missing too much (mainly defensively) to really compete with most teams.
     
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