If I Were Briere and Jonesy

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Créé par: sk540

Équipe: 2023-24 Flyers de Philadelphie

Date de création initiale: 6 juin 2023

Publié: 6 juin 2023

Mode - plafond salarial: Basique

Description

The only reason I sign Barbashev here, if he accepts the deal, is because he is a guy who is built for the playoffs, and is only 27. In 2/3 years when we are hoping to contend, he will pay big dividends then. And in the meantime, he can show our current players the little things he does so well, his positioning, hockey sense, etc etc.

Same feelings I have with Severson. He would be a great top 4 guy on a contending team, is only 28, right shot, plays cool calm and collected, and won't be asked to play top pairing minutes. We're gonna suck so whoever is 1 RHD will have their hands full already.

Signatures de joueurs autonomes

RFA	ANS	CAP HIT
Attard, Ronnie	2	900 000 $
Cates, Noah	4	2 800 000 $
Frost, Morgan	2	2 000 000 $
York, Cam	2	2 000 000 $
Ranta, Sampo	3	950 000 $
Stanley, Logan	2	1 000 000 $

UFA	ANS	CAP HIT
Lemieux, Brendan	1	1 150 000 $
Barbashev, Ivan	6	3 500 000 $
Severson, Damon	6	5 750 000 $

Transactions

PHI

Zadina, Filip
Choix de 1e ronde en 2023 (NYI)
Choix de 2e ronde en 2023 (STL)

DET

Konecny, Travis

PHI

Stanley, Logan [Droits de RFA]
Choix de 1e ronde en 2023 (WPG)
Choix de 4e ronde en 2024 (WPG)

WPG

Provorov, Ivan

PHI

Behrens, Sean [Liste de réserve]
Ranta, Sampo [Droits de RFA]
Choix de 1e ronde en 2024 (COL)

COL

Allison, Wade
Hayes, Kevin (3 571 428 $ retained)
Seeler, Nick
Choix de 4e ronde en 2023 (EDM)

PHI

Choix de 4e ronde en 2023 (DAL)

DAL

Deangelo, Anthony (2 500 000 $ retained)

Rachats de contrats

Oskar Lindblom: 666 667 $
Ilya Bryzgalov: 0 $

Transactions impliquant une retenue de salaire

Kevin Hayes: 3 571 428 $ (100%)
Anthony Deangelo: 2 500 000 $ (149.25%)

Repêchage	1e ronde	2e ronde	3e ronde	4e ronde	5e ronde	6e ronde	7e ronde
2023
2024
2025

FORMATION

VUE À LONG TERME

INTÉGRÉ

TEXTE INTÉGRÉ

TAILLE DE LA FORMATION	PLAFOND SALARIAL	CAP HIT	EXCÉDENTS	BONIS	ESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
22	83 500 000 $	71 696 261 $	1 187 500 $	70 000 $	11 803 739 $

Ailier gauche	Centre	Ailier droit
Atkinson, Cam 5 875 000 $5 875 000 $ AD, AG M-NTC UFA - 2	Couturier, Sean 7 750 000 $7 750 000 $ C NMC UFA - 7	Tippett, Owen 1 500 000 $1 500 000 $ AD, AG UFA - 1
Farabee, Joel 5 000 000 $5 000 000 $ AG, AD UFA - 5	Frost, Morgan 2 000 000 $2 000 000 $ C RFA - 2	Foerster, Tyson 863 333 $863 333 $ AD RFA - 2
Barbashev, Ivan 3 500 000 $3 500 000 $ AG, AD UFA - 5	Cates, Noah 2 800 000 $2 800 000 $ C, AG RFA - 2	Zadina, Filip 1 100 000 $1 100 000 $ AD, AG RFA - 1
Laughton, Scott 3 000 000 $3 000 000 $ C, AG UFA - 3	Desnoyers, Elliot 825 000 $825 000 $ (37 500 $$38K) C, AG RFA - 2	Deslauriers, Nicolas 1 750 000 $1 750 000 $ AG, AD M-NTC UFA - 3
Lemieux, Brendan 1 150 000 $1 150 000 $ AG, AD UFA - 1

Défenseur gaucher	Défenseur droitier	Gardien de but
Sanheim, Travis 6 250 000 $6 250 000 $ DG/DD NTC UFA - 8	Ristolainen, Rasmus 5 100 000 $5 100 000 $ DD UFA - 4	Hart, Carter 3 979 000 $3 979 000 $ G RFA - 1
York, Cam 2 000 000 $2 000 000 $ DG/DD RFA - 2	Severson, Damon 5 750 000 $5 750 000 $ DD UFA - 8	Sandström, Felix 775 000 $775 000 $ G UFA - 1
Stanley, Logan 1 000 000 $1 000 000 $ DG RFA - 1	Attard, Ronnie 900 000 $900 000 $ DD RFA - 2
Andrae, Emil 903 333 $903 333 $ (32 500 $$32K) DG RFA - 3

Laissés de côté	Liste des blessés (IR)	Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
		Ellis, Ryan 6 250 000 $6 250 000 $ DD UFA - 4

6 juin 2023 à 11 h 58

SKWPG

Rejoint: mai 2023

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WPG is NOT giving up their 1st pick for Provorov. PASS!

Make it a 3rd, then okay.

6 juin 2023 à 11 h 58

JoeROFLCOPTER

Joe

Rejoint: nov. 2022

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I've seen the same TK to Detroit proposal so many times.
This just means it's gonna happen.

TheBigFlyera a aimé ceci.

6 juin 2023 à 11 h 59

TheBigFlyera

Banni

Rejoint: mai 2023

Messages: 1,635

Mentions "j'aime": 716

All of this is super realistic to me. I don’t think Severson signs here without a big overpay but I think if you knock Barbashev up to $4M AAV I think he could sign here and I agree that it would be a big help to this team

6 juin 2023 à 11 h 59

NMAvsFan

Representing the 505

Rejoint: sept. 2020

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I'm pretty much over the idea of the Avs getting Hayes, even at half retained. He just does not fit their style.

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6 juin 2023 à 11 h 59

TheBigFlyera

Banni

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Quoting: SKWPG

WPG is NOT giving up their 1st pick for Provorov. PASS!

Make it a 3rd, then okay.

A 3rd, 4th, a cap dump for Provy? 😂 Yeah ok bud

sk540 a aimé ceci.

6 juin 2023 à 12 h 0

MapleLeafsPhanatic

Rejoint: sept. 2020

Messages: 322

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I don't understand trading Konecny unless youre returning something really special, Zadina's a good player with potential I just don't think hes worth Konecny, a guy who every team in this league would love to have.

6 juin 2023 à 12 h 0

TheBigFlyera

Banni

Rejoint: mai 2023

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Quoting: JoeROFLCOPTER

I've seen the same TK to Detroit proposal so many times.
This just means it's gonna happen.

I think more so two fans bases just found this handshake agreement where both would be okay with acquiring/giving away TK for that cost lol

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6 juin 2023 à 12 h 1

DH28Hockey

Rejoint: mai 2019

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I think the Detroit and Dallas trades make sense. Don't see the Winnipeg trade making sense for them even if they were previously interested in Provorov, and I think Colorado is going to set their sights higher than Hayes (my opinion is they're the perfect fit for Scheifele)

SKWPG a aimé ceci.

6 juin 2023 à 12 h 1

TheBigFlyera

Banni

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Quoting: MapleLeafsPhanatic

17OA, 45OA, and a reclamation project in Zadina is absolutely a good deal for TK

6 juin 2023 à 12 h 10

#10

MeetYourMakar

Rejoint: févr. 2020

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Behrens is not getting moved for a Hayes poor fit/caliber/age/cap kind of player.

M96N29 a aimé ceci.

6 juin 2023 à 12 h 23

#11

SKWPG

Rejoint: mai 2023

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Quoting: TheBigFlyera

A 3rd, 4th, a cap dump for Provy? 😂 Yeah ok bud

Provorov at $6.7M for 2 years is far too much. I was being kind giving a 3rd and 4th, plus a $1M bottom pairing D to help bolster your teams meanness. Your initial proposal is brutal for WPG.

6 juin 2023 à 12 h 25

#12

M96N29

Rejoint: mai 2023

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Quoting: TheBigFlyera

Barbashev's number was probably at $4M before the playoffs started. Now? If LVK doesn't work hard to retain him, I could see him getting up to $4.5M. I want him for COL, but I'm getting worried he'll be too expensive.

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6 juin 2023 à 12 h 28

#13

TheBigFlyera

Banni

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Quoting: M96N29

That is absolutely fair

6 juin 2023 à 12 h 28

#14

TheBigFlyera

Banni

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Quoting: SKWPG

Provorov at $6.7M for 2 years is far too much. I was being kind giving a 3rd and 4th, plus a $1M bottom pairing D to help bolster your teams meanness. Your initial proposal is brutal for WPG.

Yeah okay bud if that helps u sleep at night good for you lol

6 juin 2023 à 12 h 32

#15

Cory

Rejoint: mars 2019

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Quoting: TheBigFlyera

A 3rd, 4th, a cap dump for Provy? 😂 Yeah ok bud

Serious question. Who is the cap dump? I don't see anyone in this trade that is that.

6 juin 2023 à 12 h 55

#16

TheBigFlyera

Banni

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Quoting: Cory

Serious question. Who is the cap dump? I don't see anyone in this trade that is that.

Stanley considering we would need to sign him when we already have 4-5 LHD even without Provy that we would rather play

6 juin 2023 à 13 h 16

#17

Cory

Rejoint: mars 2019

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Quoting: TheBigFlyera

Stanley considering we would need to sign him when we already have 4-5 LHD even without Provy that we would rather play

Oh okay, so not a Cap dump. Just a crowded position there. FYI. A cap dump is a guy who is past his prime and signed to a long term outrageous contract. Not a 25 year old 6'6" former first round pick on a RFA contract. I would imagine most teams would want a guy like that for the right price.

6 juin 2023 à 13 h 24

#18

TheBigFlyera

Banni

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Quoting: Cory

Sure yeah whatever terminology you want to use. I say cap dump to flyers cause they don’t need him but unnecessary piece is a better term I guess lmao. Regardless he doesn’t have enough value to justify him and a 3rd and 4th for Provy

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6 juin 2023 à 15 h 4

#19

sk540

Démarrer sujet

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Quoting: MapleLeafsPhanatic

i think it's about the draft capital, combined with another higher pick who may still have the potential to be a game breaker but needs a change. TK technically fits our window, however, he had a career year and plays a position that we currently have a glut of. Maximizing his value and allowing us to add some draft capital that can be used under the current regime's strategies, in combo with Zadina, would be worth it for the Flyers. I think even more so if those picks are for this year to start this offseason and rebuild with a bang, building a strong foundation right off the bat.

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6 juin 2023 à 15 h 6

#20

MapleLeafsPhanatic

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Quoting: sk540

100%, it makes sense to trying capitalize on his value now, coming off this season his value is probably as high as it will get. Maybe im underating Zadina's as a player and his potential, I just think they should be looking for a higher end prospect and first rounder for him.

6 juin 2023 à 15 h 7

#21

sk540

Démarrer sujet

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Quoting: SKWPG

Provorov at $6.7M for 2 years is far too much. I was being kind giving a 3rd and 4th, plus a $1M bottom pairing D to help bolster your teams meanness. Your initial proposal is brutal for WPG.

If brutal were in the middle, your proposal of a 3rd and 4th with Stanley, is closer than a 1st and 4th with Stanley.

Look at the stats......

Well this is all moot now, it appears Provy is on his way to CLB in a three team deal with LAK.. Wow!

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