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Please let us have Bedard

Créé par: VinnyDGM1
Équipe: 2023-24 Flames de Calgary
Date de création initiale: 31 mai 2023
Publié: 31 mai 2023
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
Description
With the upcoming NHL draft, and the Flames in cap hell, time to trade away almost all of our 2024 pending UFAs (and Vladar) along with a bunch of picks to Chicago for Connor Bedard pick and roster fill-ins. Chicago can flip those players over to other teams for more picks, prospects, whatever they choose to do. This will most likely not happen, but I'm a hopeless Flames fan that likes to dabble in insanity/lunacy.

Forward lines:
1st: Huberdeau/Kadri/Bedard
2nd: Pelletier/O'Reilly (signed at 2023 offseason free-agency)/Coronato
3rd: Coleman/Dube/Mangiapane
4th: Ruzicka/Dickinson/Duehr
Defense pairs:
1st: Kylington/Andersson
2nd: Tinnordi/Weegar
3rd: Gilbert/Zaitsev
Scratches: Stone, Phillips, Rooney
Goalies: Markstrom/Wolf
Signatures de joueurs autonomes
LISTE DE RÉSERVEANSCAP HIT
3800 000 $
3800 000 $
3800 000 $
3800 000 $
3800 000 $
1800 000 $
2800 000 $
RFAANSCAP HIT
2775 000 $
1775 000 $
2775 000 $
UFAANSCAP HIT
66 000 000 $
21 500 000 $
1775 000 $
1775 000 $
CRÉÉANSCAP HIT
Bedard, Connor
3925 000 $
Transactions
CGY
  1. Dickinson, Jason
  2. Tinordi, Jarred
  3. Zaitsev, Nikita
  4. Choix de 1e ronde en 2023 (CHI)
CHI
  1. Backlund, Mikael
  2. Hanifin, Noah
  3. Lindholm, Elias
  4. Tanev, Christopher
  5. Toffoli, Tyler
  6. Vladar, Daniel
  7. Zadorov, Nikita
  8. Choix de 1e ronde en 2023 (CGY)
  9. Choix de 2e ronde en 2023 (CGY)
  10. Choix de 2e ronde en 2024 (CGY)
  11. Choix de 2e ronde en 2025 (CGY)
Détails additionnels:
Depending on which conditions from the Monahan trade is met, one of the future 2nd round picks (2024/2025) will convert to an unprotected 1st round pick (including the Florida 2025 1st round pick).
Repêchage1e ronde2e ronde3e ronde4e ronde5e ronde6e ronde7e ronde
2023
Logo de CHI
Logo de CGY
Logo de CGY
Logo de CGY
2024
Logo de CGY
Logo de CGY
Logo de CGY
Logo de CGY
2025
Logo de FLA
Logo de CGY
Logo de CGY
Logo de CGY
Logo de CGY
TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS Info-bulleBONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2383 500 000 $73 651 666 $0 $865 000 $9 848 334 $

Formation

Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
Logo de Flames de Calgary
10 500 000 $10 500 000 $
AG, AD
NMC
UFA - 8
Logo de Flames de Calgary
7 000 000 $7 000 000 $
C
NMC
UFA - 6
Bedard, Connor
925 000 $925 000 $
Logo de Flames de Calgary
863 333 $863 333 $
AG
RFA - 1
6 000 000 $6 000 000 $
C
UFA - 4
Logo de Flames de Calgary
925 000 $925 000 $ (Bonis de performance850 000 $$850K)
AD
RFA - 2
Logo de Flames de Calgary
4 900 000 $4 900 000 $
AD, AG
NTC
UFA - 4
Logo de Flames de Calgary
2 300 000 $2 300 000 $
AG, AD, C
RFA - 1
Logo de Flames de Calgary
5 800 000 $5 800 000 $
AD, AG
M-NTC
UFA - 2
Logo de Flames de Calgary
762 500 $762 500 $
AG, C
UFA - 1
Logo de Blackhawks de Chicago
2 650 000 $2 650 000 $
C, AG
UFA - 1
Logo de Flames de Calgary
825 000 $825 000 $
AD
UFA - 2
Logo de Flames de Calgary
1 300 000 $1 300 000 $
C
UFA - 1
Logo de Flames de Calgary
1 500 000 $1 500 000 $
AD, C
UFA - 1
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
Logo de Flames de Calgary
2 500 000 $2 500 000 $
DG/DD
UFA - 1
Logo de Flames de Calgary
4 550 000 $4 550 000 $
DD
UFA - 3
Logo de Flames de Calgary
6 000 000 $6 000 000 $
G
NMC
UFA - 3
Logo de Blackhawks de Chicago
1 250 000 $1 250 000 $
DG
UFA - 1
Logo de Flames de Calgary
6 250 000 $6 250 000 $
DG/DD
NTC
UFA - 8
Logo de Flames de Calgary
813 333 $813 333 $ (Bonis de performance15 000 $$15K)
G
RFA - 1
Logo de Flames de Calgary
762 500 $762 500 $
DG
UFA - 1
Logo de Blackhawks de Chicago
4 500 000 $4 500 000 $
DD
M-NTC
UFA - 1
Logo de Flames de Calgary
775 000 $775 000 $
DD
UFA

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31 mai 2023 à 13 h 40
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Think there's like 3 teams in the league that can get Bedard without completely destroying their franchise for the near century (BUF/NJD/EDM). Of those, none of them would give up what Bedard is worth.
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If the impossible happened and Chicago did elect to consider an offer for the #1 pick; Coronato, Wolf, Andersson, Lindholm & 23’ 1st all need to be involved and they probably still wouldn’t do it.
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31 mai 2023 à 13 h 41
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I live in CGY and so prefer CGY to CHI in a big way, but NO way this gets Bedard. Not even close.
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31 mai 2023 à 13 h 48
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I find the most ignorant thing about this 'fantasy' trade of pretending to trade away CGYs future to get Bedard, is that you didn't even include ONE of CGYs best 3 futures, in Coronato, Pelletier and Wolf.
Just ignorant man
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31 mai 2023 à 13 h 57
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We don't have the assets for it plain and simple. A dynasty is built by having concentrations of talent at any given roster spot. Chicago doesn't have much incentive to trade a franchise player of his calibre because they can draft and supplement around him within 3 years.
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31 mai 2023 à 13 h 59
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“Please let us have Bedard” my a*s
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31 mai 2023 à 15 h 12
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My favorite part of this is that you seem serious
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31 mai 2023 à 15 h 31
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Quoting: JoeROFLCOPTER
Think there's like 3 teams in the league that can get Bedard without completely destroying their franchise for the near century (BUF/NJD/EDM). Of those, none of them would give up what Bedard is worth.


Thinking about bedard package for NJD without gutting team (unrealistic but bored).
Do you think Nemec+Mercer+Buffalo 1st (acquired for Marino)+24+25 1st would be enough?

Mercer prob 2 1sts of value, nemec another 2, + 3 actual 1sts = 7 1sts of value?
31 mai 2023 à 15 h 32
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Thinking about bedard package for NJD without gutting team (unrealistic but bored).
Do you think Nemec+Mercer+Buffalo 1st (acquired for Marino)+24+25 1st would be enough?

Mercer prob 2 1sts of value, nemec another 2, + 3 actual 1sts = 7 1sts of value?


Depends, but probably not. Think any trade for Bedard starts with a teams #1 or #2 asset, meaning Hughes.

Don't think value is bad, but I'm not sure.
31 mai 2023 à 15 h 38
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Depends, but probably not. Think any trade for Bedard starts with a teams #1 or #2 asset, meaning Hughes.

Don't think value is bad, but I'm not sure.


Yeah obviously unrealistic but I'm trying to think of ways without destroying the core that could help Chi. Problem is chicago is absolutely BARREN. If it was anaheim or something giving pieces to build around Zegras, Terry, Mctavish, etc could make them a complete team, but I'm looking from chicago's side and they currently have nothing (which could arguably be a reason to trade for quantity)

Other possible assets: Casey, Arseni, Holtz, one of bratt/meier, Bahl, vilen, yegor, Schmid
31 mai 2023 à 15 h 41
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Yeah obviously unrealistic but I'm trying to think of ways without destroying the core that could help Chi. Problem is chicago is absolutely BARREN. If it was anaheim or something giving pieces to build around Zegras, Terry, Mctavish, etc could make them a complete team, but I'm looking from chicago's side and they currently have nothing (which could arguably be a reason to trade for quantity)

Other possible assets: Casey, Arseni, Holtz, one of bratt/meier, Bahl, vilen, yegor, Schmid


It'd have to be a lot of premium assets. An entire core maybe. Too many "good" assets will just drive up cap.
31 mai 2023 à 15 h 45
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It'd have to be a lot of premium assets. An entire core maybe. Too many "good" assets will just drive up cap.


Siegs, Mercer, Nemec, Schmid, 3 1sts (buff 23, njd 24, njd 25) I'd think would be enticing.

Top pairing LD on cheap deal long term, top 6 C or top line wing, RD1 top prospect, lottery 1st and 2 other picks, young potential starter.

Absolutely gargantuan haul that doesn't gut NJD
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31 mai 2023 à 15 h 56
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Well since you said please......



Hawks pass
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31 mai 2023 à 16 h 7
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It'd have to be a lot of premium assets. An entire core maybe. Too many "good" assets will just drive up cap.


This is what it came out looking like
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31 mai 2023 à 16 h 16
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Yeah obviously unrealistic but I'm trying to think of ways without destroying the core that could help Chi. Problem is chicago is absolutely BARREN. If it was anaheim or something giving pieces to build around Zegras, Terry, Mctavish, etc could make them a complete team, but I'm looking from chicago's side and they currently have nothing (which could arguably be a reason to trade for quantity)

Other possible assets: Casey, Arseni, Holtz, one of bratt/meier, Bahl, vilen, yegor, Schmid


Well... at the NHL level we are pretty thin, as far as players that are part of our future, but that is intentional. Between the prospects we've already drafted and all the picks, though, we are FAR from barren.
31 mai 2023 à 16 h 16
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Here CGY... try this.

CGY's 1st overall pick (unprotected) for the next 10 years, Lindholm, Andersson, Weegar and Huberdeau.

That "MAY" get Bedard.
31 mai 2023 à 16 h 18
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Well... at the NHL level we are pretty thin, as far as players that are part of our future, but that is intentional. Between the prospects we've already drafted and all the picks, though, we are FAR from barren.


Where'd you say your biggest holes are?
31 mai 2023 à 16 h 20
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Where'd you say your biggest holes are?


At the NHL level or our entire pool in general?
31 mai 2023 à 16 h 23
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At the NHL level or our entire pool in general?


The pool. I don't think there's a single player on Chicago's roster that matters that much aside from the guys in the awkward prospect/player stage and Jones
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Well... at the NHL level we are pretty thin, as far as players that are part of our future, but that is intentional. Between the prospects we've already drafted and all the picks, though, we are FAR from barren.


Yeah I mean at the NHL level and I can't say i'm an expert on your prospect pool.
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31 mai 2023 à 16 h 35
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Yeah I mean at the NHL level and I can't say i'm an expert on your prospect pool.


Top of my head I know Korchinski, Reichel, and Nazar. I know Soderblom, but only because his brother is on DET.
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31 mai 2023 à 16 h 36
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The pool. I don't think there's a single player on Chicago's roster that matters that much aside from the guys in the awkward prospect/player stage and Jones


Yeah. Almost none of the older guys are part of the future plans. MAYBE Raddysh. Murphy they might keep around for a little while longer because, not only is he good, but he is smart and has great leadership qualities.

But as far as our entire system goes, the most important positions are more forwards with clear cut top 6 upside, and RHD. We actually have quite a few forwards with top 6 "potential", but most of them project more clearly as bottom 6. We are loaded with RHD at the NHL level, but, again, I doubt Murphy will be around for the long haul, Zaitsev definitely won't be, and it seems Mitchell is on his way out the door, then Kelley is a long shot and Krutil probably won't ever get a contract. However, Regula has a lot of promise, but he likely needs more time in the AHL. We have 3 goalie prospects, one of which is due to be in the NHL full time next season and will likely split time evenly with Mrazek, if he doesn't take the starting job entirely.
31 mai 2023 à 16 h 44
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Top of my head I know Korchinski, Reichel, and Nazar. I know Soderblom, but only because his brother is on DET.


Notable young or young-ish Players:
Forwards: Reichel, Kurashev, Nazar, Guttman, Colton Dach, Greene, Hayes, Luypen, (obviously Bedard soon too), Thompson, James, Savoie, Safonov.
LHD: Korchinski, Kaiser, Phillips, Vlasic, Del Mastro, Allan, (maybe) Harding.
RHD: Rinzel, Regula, (maybe) Crevier.
Goalies: Soderblom, Commesso, Stauber, (maybe) Basse.
 
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