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Créé par: pens1991

Équipe: 2023-24 Penguins de Pittsburgh

Date de création initiale: 10 mai 2023

Publié: 16 mai 2023

Mode - plafond salarial: Basique

Description

A lot of people want to move Rutta for cap space, but not sure if possible or who would take. I'm sure someone would. I don't think he's a bad 3rd pair, just had unlucky injuries this year.

I would think you could send a pick and Ty Smith to someone like Arizona to take Granlund for two more years (i know the buyout is cheap, but if he can be moved it's better). Chicago would be another option to look at given their cap space next year.

Grz has been a popular cap dump candidate on here for the B's and would be an immediate upgrade over Dumolin.

I could be biased but think this bottom six would be a vast upgrade over last years. Scratch Carter, unless the team is plagued with injuries or until he demands a trade. I'd like to bring back DOC and Poehling, think both are deserving of it.

Barbashev has had a great season and I would Think this is around the contract he'll be looking for and getting.

Feel decent on the other contracts.

Signatures de joueurs autonomes

RFA	ANS	CAP HIT
O'Connor, Drew	1	900 000 $
Poehling, Ryan	1	900 000 $
Smith, Ty	1	950 000 $

UFA	ANS	CAP HIT
Bjugstad, Nick	2	1 500 000 $
Zucker, Jason	4	4 500 000 $
Jarry, Tristan	4	4 500 000 $
Rodrigues, Evan	3	3 000 000 $
Barbashev, Ivan	5	5 000 000 $

Transactions

PIT

Grzelcyk, Matt

BOS

Choix de 5e ronde en 2023 (PIT)
Choix de 2e ronde en 2024 (PIT)

Détails additionnels:

seen a lot of B's fans on ACGM dumping Grz for cap space. Has been all over the place as far as what pics have been sent but seems to be a combo of 2 3's or a 2nd and later pick.

PIT

Choix de 1e ronde en 2023 (TBL)
Choix de 2e ronde en 2023 (CHI)
Choix de 2e ronde en 2023 (NYR)

CHI

Choix de 1e ronde en 2023 (PIT)

Détails additionnels:

Have seen a variation of this trade as well. Allows hawks to move up to 14OA and gives pens more picks in a deep darft.

PIT

ARI

Granlund, Mikael
Smith, Ty
Choix de 4e ronde en 2024 (PIT)

Rachats de contrats

Jack Johnson: 916 667 $

Repêchage	1e ronde	2e ronde	3e ronde	4e ronde	5e ronde	6e ronde	7e ronde
2023
2024
2025

FORMATION

VUE À LONG TERME

INTÉGRÉ

TEXTE INTÉGRÉ

TAILLE DE LA FORMATION	PLAFOND SALARIAL	CAP HIT	EXCÉDENTS	BONIS	ESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
23	83 500 000 $	77 662 259 $	0 $	82 500 $	5 837 741 $

Formation

Ailier gauche	Centre	Ailier droit
Guentzel, Jake 4 500 000 $4 500 000 $ AG, AD M-NTC UFA - 1	Crosby, Sidney 8 700 000 $8 700 000 $ C NMC UFA - 2	Rakell, Rickard 5 000 000 $5 000 000 $ AD, AG M-NTC UFA - 5
Barbashev, Ivan 5 000 000 $5 000 000 $ AG, AD UFA - 5	Malkin, Evgeni 6 100 000 $6 100 000 $ C NMC UFA - 3	Nylander, Alexander 775 000 $775 000 $ AD, AG RFA - 1
Zucker, Jason 4 500 000 $4 500 000 $ AG, AD UFA - 1	Rodrigues, Evan 3 000 000 $3 000 000 $ AG, C UFA - 4	Rust, Bryan 5 125 000 $5 125 000 $ AD, AG NMC UFA - 5
O'Connor, Drew 900 000 $900 000 $ AG UFA - 2	Poehling, Ryan 900 000 $900 000 $ C, AG UFA - 1	Bjugstad, Nick 1 500 000 $1 500 000 $ C, AD UFA - 2
		Légaré, Nathan 789 167 $789 167 $ (82 500 $$82K) AD RFA - 1

Défenseur gaucher	Défenseur droitier	Gardien de but
Pettersson, Marcus 4 025 175 $4 025 175 $ DG M-NTC UFA - 2	Letang, Kris 6 100 000 $6 100 000 $ DD NMC UFA - 5	Jarry, Tristan 4 500 000 $4 500 000 $ G UFA - 5
Grzelcyk, Matt 3 687 500 $3 687 500 $ DG UFA - 1	Petry, Jeff 2 343 750 $2 343 750 $ DD M-NTC, NMC UFA - 2	DeSmith, Casey 1 800 000 $1 800 000 $ G UFA - 1
Joseph, Pierre-Olivier 825 000 $825 000 $ DG RFA - 1	Rutta, Jan 2 750 000 $2 750 000 $ DG/DD UFA - 2
	Ruhwedel, Chad 800 000 $800 000 $ DD UFA - 1

Laissés de côté	Liste des blessés (IR)	Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
Carter, Jeff 3 125 000 $3 125 000 $ AD, C NMC UFA - 1

Unités spéciales

Avantage numérique 1
Crosby, S.		Malkin, E.		Guentzel, J.
	Barbashev, I.		Letang, K.

Avantage numérique 2
Rodrigues, E.		Rakell, R.		Zucker, J.
	Nylander, A.		Petry, J.

Infériorité numérique 1
	Bjugstad, N.	Rust, B.
	Pettersson, M.	Letang, K.

Infériorité numérique 2
	Poehling, R.	O'Connor, D.
	Grzelcyk, M.	Petry, J.

16 mai 2023 à 15 h 54

PensGMwannabe

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Pretty realistic, agreed. Nicely done.

I'm real leery about going into next season with the same goaltending duo though. Really need to switch things up there. I would bring back Jarry if we could bring in a 1B type behind him.

I would also target a more physical larger D man than Grzelcyyk. Pens need to get more physical and tougher basically everywhere.

16 mai 2023 à 15 h 55

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CHI absolutely is not sending out three 2023 picks. The cupboard is bare and they need to restock the whole system.

Why is ARI going to take 2x5m of Granlund off your hands for a lousy 4th? Just buy him out or accept that it's going to cost something to move that awful deal.

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16 mai 2023 à 15 h 58

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Quoting: ginandtacos

CHI absolutely is not sending out three 2023 picks. The cupboard is bare and they need to restock the whole system.

this has been posted by numerous Chicago fans on here along with Penguins fans. It gives the hawk's Bedard and 14OA in a stacked draft while still leaving CHI with 2 2nds and 2 3rds.

16 mai 2023 à 16 h 0

ginandtacos

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Quoting: pens1991

this has been posted by numerous Chicago fans on here along with Penguins fans. It gives the hawk's Bedard and 14OA in a stacked draft while still leaving CHI with 2 2nds and 2 3rds.

If the draft is stacked why is a very very bad team giving up 3 picks in the first two rounds

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16 mai 2023 à 16 h 0

trammelt

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Yes, because PIT doesn't have a 2. But The Blackhawks are in a deep rebuild. They're not going to move TWO 2nds to move up 5 spots. I could see a mid/late 2nd being the cost of going from 19 to 14. That's only should they have a guy at 14 they like. Not like this is a 5-10 spot pick.

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16 mai 2023 à 16 h 4

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Quoting: PensGMwannabe

Trust me, I don't totally disagree on goalies, but the pens combined SV% was about middle of the pack. Jarry and DeSmith both definitely had some terrible performances but the team in front of them was not good, and that doesn't help.

Disagree on this whole physical narrative that people keep throwing at the pens. They led the league this year in hits.... Grzelcyk is smaller for sure but i think he would fit into this system well.

16 mai 2023 à 16 h 6

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Quoting: ginandtacos

If the draft is stacked why is a very very bad team giving up 3 picks in the first two rounds

I see chicago giving up 2 picks... not sure where you're getting three.

Swap PIT and TBL 1st Rd, Chi adds to seconds to the trade.

16 mai 2023 à 16 h 7

ginandtacos

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Quoting: pens1991

I see chicago giving up 2 picks... not sure where you're getting three.

Swap PIT and TBL 1st Rd, Chi adds to seconds to the trade.

Could happen, if there's a specific guy who falls that CHI loves! But as bad as the system is top to bottom, it seems more likely CHI is focused on stocking up.

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16 mai 2023 à 16 h 10

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Quoting: trammelt

Like i said, multiple chi fans have suggest a trade like this. The Hawks have 4 2nd round picks this draft and 2 3rd round picks... I'd be willing to bet those 2nds aren't all owned by chicago come draft day specially if someone in the draft is falling a bit that they won't but that won't make it to the 20th pick.

16 mai 2023 à 16 h 18

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love that 3rd line, bunch of forechecking demons and everyone can score. pretty expensive though only thing

i love barbeshev but 5x5 is a lot for him. but its free agency so he'll probably get that

16 mai 2023 à 16 h 31

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Using Athletic's draft pick value chart, 19oa + 52oa is still an overpayment for 14oa. In a year where the "draft is loaded" thats probably a fair trade. Chicago isnt moving 2 second rounders to move up 5 spots unless they LOVE someone who's fallen a long ways.

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16 mai 2023 à 16 h 54

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Too much to move up 5 spots.

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16 mai 2023 à 16 h 57

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Quoting: bigred789

love that 3rd line, bunch of forechecking demons and everyone can score. pretty expensive though only thing

i love barbeshev but 5x5 is a lot for him. but its free agency so he'll probably get that

He's had a heck of a season and postseason, so imagine it will cost. Specially given the lack of talent in this UFA pool.

16 mai 2023 à 16 h 58

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16 mai 2023 à 16 h 58

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I can see the Hawks trading the TBL 1st (#19), the TBL 2nd (#52) and the Dallas 3rd (#90ish) to move up to #14. That's an overpay based on any pick value chart you look at. #19, #35 and #56 is not realistic at all to move up 5 spots to #14.

As for the AZ deal, it's not even about the package that accompanies Granny. It's the $11m in real salary he's owed over the next 2 years. AZ has the lowest revenue stream in the league by far. They aren't taking on any unnecessary salary they don't have to. Granny is unnecessary salary.

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16 mai 2023 à 17 h 14

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Quoting: Hawksguy81

That package for the hawks deal would be fine with me as well honestly, like i said that has been an overall combo i've seen of some sort (swapping firsts and chi adding two other picks) so i'd do that still. Also at the end of the day it doesn't impact the roster for the penguins next season, was just an add in that's been popular on ACGM lately.

As for AZ, they still need to hit the cap floor and a lot will depend on whether they make any trades in the offseason. People keep floating around Schmaltz as someone teams would trade for, whether that happens or not who knows.

Chicago will also need cap, so that is another option, will obviously cost to move but just thinking outside the box hear. I can't imagine chicago is going to make any large FA moves this summer but rather get as many young guys in the lineup as possible.

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16 mai 2023 à 17 h 24

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Quoting: pens1991

If you look at AZ, all they need to do to hit the cap floor is sign their own RFA's and their there. If they trade a guy like Schmaltz then yeah maybe they need to take on cap but that's not a certainty.

As for the Hawks, all they really need to do to hit the cap floor is sign two UFA's for like $4m each and they'll be ok. And that seems very likely since they won the lottery. Hawks will need somebody to play w/ Bedard

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