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The missing pieces

Créé par: Oilfan1717
Équipe: 2023-24 Oilers d'Edmonton
Date de création initiale: 8 mai 2023
Publié: 8 mai 2023
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
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RFAANSCAP HIT
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CGY
  1. Ceci, Cody
  2. Holloway, Dylan
  3. Choix de 1e ronde en 2024 (EDM)
  4. Choix de 1e ronde en 2025 (EDM)
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EDM
  1. Choix de 3e ronde en 2023 (EDM)
  2. Choix de 2e ronde en 2025 (EDM)
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EDM
  1. Choix de 4e ronde en 2023 (MTL)
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EDM
  1. Choix de 3e ronde en 2024 (CBJ)
  2. Choix de 4e ronde en 2024 (CBJ)
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8 mai 2023 à 3 h 5
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*sigh*
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8 mai 2023 à 4 h 46
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Montreal isn't interested, as we have plenty of wingers on the roster already.
Make it a 2nd round pick, and we might consider it.
8 mai 2023 à 8 h 29
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You just spend a PILE of assets making the team worse. What were you thinking?
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8 mai 2023 à 8 h 29
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Montreal isn't interested, as we have plenty of wingers on the roster already.
Make it a 2nd round pick, and we might consider it.


That makes no sense. They aren't interested paying a 4th but might be if the price was higher?
8 mai 2023 à 8 h 50
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That makes no sense. They aren't interested paying a 4th but might be if the price was higher?

Bad wording on my part. I meant add a 2nd on top of Foegele, and we might consider it.
8 mai 2023 à 9 h 29
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Bad wording on my part. I meant add a 2nd on top of Foegele, and we might consider it.

Foegele scores at a 1st line rate while being paid like a 3rd liner. Your valuations are exactly backwards. Tampa paid two 1sts ++ for Hagel, who isn't as effective a player as Foegele is. You'd have to start with Florida's 1st and then add.
8 mai 2023 à 11 h 44
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CBJ would consider that. Would probably only be willing to give the 3rd for Kulak, but it will depend on who else they could get and what the market shapes up to be during and after the draft.
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8 mai 2023 à 12 h 16
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Foegele scores at a 1st line rate while being paid like a 3rd liner. Your valuations are exactly backwards. Tampa paid two 1sts ++ for Hagel, who isn't as effective a player as Foegele is. You'd have to start with Florida's 1st and then add.

I'm afraid your evaluation of Foegele makes him a luxury we can't afford in Montreal. But I wish you all the best in your negociations with other teams. wink
8 mai 2023 à 12 h 33
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Foegele scores at a 1st line rate while being paid like a 3rd liner. Your valuations are exactly backwards. Tampa paid two 1sts ++ for Hagel, who isn't as effective a player as Foegele is. You'd have to start with Florida's 1st and then add.


The only thing close to true in that paragraph is that he's paid like a 3rd liner.
8 mai 2023 à 13 h 32
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I'm afraid your evaluation of Foegele makes him a luxury we can't afford in Montreal. But I wish you all the best in your negociations with other teams. wink

I want to keep him.
8 mai 2023 à 13 h 34
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The only thing close to true in that paragraph is that he's paid like a 3rd liner.

Warren Foegele is among the best in the league at generating scoring chances.

[A little context for my stats. I took full season 5v5 stats and applied two filters: forwards only and minimun TOI of 495 minutes. That leaves us with the top 385 players by minutes played. Why 385? Because there are 32 teams and each with 12 regular forwards. 32 x 12 = 384, so pretty close. This way we can divide results by "1st line" (top 96 players), "2nd line" (97-192), etc. All stats are expressed as "per 60 minutes" to equalize for TOI differences.]

So here's how Foegele stacks up:

G/60: 0.93 (84th, tied with Panarin) 1st line rate
P/60: 2.09 (85th, tied with Tavares) 1st line rate
S/60: 9.36 (50th, tied with Cozens) 1st line rate
xG/60: 1.16 (9th, tied with Tavares) elite 1st line rate
SCF/60: 10.90 (23rd) elite 1st line rate
HDCF/60: 6.19 (8th), elite 1st line rate
Tka/60: 3.63 (3rd), elite 1st line rate
Hits/60: 7.11 (108th tied with Kreider) high 2nd line rate

Now consider that he spent just 8% of his TOI with McDavid this year. Foegele is a value contract. He scores at a 1st line rate while being paid like a 3rd liner.
8 mai 2023 à 15 h 16
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Warren Foegele is among the best in the league at generating scoring chances.

[A little context for my stats. I took full season 5v5 stats and applied two filters: forwards only and minimun TOI of 495 minutes. That leaves us with the top 385 players by minutes played. Why 385? Because there are 32 teams and each with 12 regular forwards. 32 x 12 = 384, so pretty close. This way we can divide results by "1st line" (top 96 players), "2nd line" (97-192), etc. All stats are expressed as "per 60 minutes" to equalize for TOI differences.]

So here's how Foegele stacks up:

G/60: 0.93 (84th, tied with Panarin) 1st line rate
P/60: 2.09 (85th, tied with Tavares) 1st line rate
S/60: 9.36 (50th, tied with Cozens) 1st line rate
xG/60: 1.16 (9th, tied with Tavares) elite 1st line rate
SCF/60: 10.90 (23rd) elite 1st line rate
HDCF/60: 6.19 (8th), elite 1st line rate
Tka/60: 3.63 (3rd), elite 1st line rate
Hits/60: 7.11 (108th tied with Kreider) high 2nd line rate

Now consider that he spent just 8% of his TOI with McDavid this year. Foegele is a value contract. He scores at a 1st line rate while being paid like a 3rd liner.


He's a 3rd line winger and being deployed as such, averaging under 13 minutes a game, against lesser competition, with McDavid and Draisaitl drawing the hardest matchups.
At 12 minutes a game you only need 2 points every 5 games to hit those rates, that's not 1st line production. You're comparing apples with oranges.
8 mai 2023 à 15 h 31
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Quoting: ricochetii
He's a 3rd line winger and being deployed as such, averaging under 13 minutes a game, against lesser competition, with McDavid and Draisaitl drawing the hardest matchups.
At 12 minutes a game you only need 2 points every 5 games to hit those rates, that's not 1st line production. You're comparing apples with oranges.

He did play on the 3rd line, that's why his 27 points at 5v5 are so impressive. Only Suzuki had more for Montreal, for instance. And while you can point to lesser competition, he also had lesser linemates to work with too. He would be a 1st liner in Montreal. His impressive scoring combined with his top-10 chance generation + size + speed + physicality + low cap hit makes him a valuable player for any team. He won't be cheap.
8 mai 2023 à 16 h 32
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He did play on the 3rd line, that's why his 27 points at 5v5 are so impressive. Only Suzuki had more for Montreal, for instance. And while you can point to lesser competition, he also had lesser linemates to work with too. He would be a 1st liner in Montreal. His impressive scoring combined with his top-10 chance generation + size + speed + physicality + low cap hit makes him a valuable player for any team. He won't be cheap.


Then he won't be going anywhere.
He's simply not a 1st liner and is only a complementary 2nd line option but he's too low on the depth chart to even get use there.
A surplus and replaceable player for the Oilers and nobody is giving up anything near a 1st, while the Oilers would be satisfied just to move him to bring in someone cheaper.
His 2 assists in 21 playoff games really kills his value. If anyone wanted him, it would be due to the perception he could excel in playoff style hockey and provide offense from the 3rd line.
8 mai 2023 à 16 h 37
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Then he won't be going anywhere.

Good! I want to keep him.

He's a complimentary top-6 player the same way Hyman is a complimentary top-6 player. His 78 IPP tells me he's actually driving play in the bottom-6, not a complimentary player at all.
 
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