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RFA	ANS	CAP HIT
Holmberg, Pontus	3	1 000 000 $
Samsonov, Ilya	4	4 250 000 $
Abruzzese, Nick	1	900 000 $
Hollowell, Mac	1	900 000 $
Mete, Victor	1	775 000 $
Källgren, Erik	1	775 000 $
Der-Arguchintsev, Semyon	1	900 000 $
Král, Filip	1	900 000 $

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Aston-Reese, Zach	3	1 000 000 $
O'Reilly, Ryan	4	4 500 000 $
Schenn, Luke	1	1 500 000 $
Benn, Jordie	1	775 000 $
Stalock, Alex	1	1 000 000 $
Kulikov, Dmitry	1	1 500 000 $
Johansson, Marcus	1	4 500 000 $
Simmonds, Wayne	1	775 000 $

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23	83 500 000 $	83 293 950 $	0 $	0 $	206 050 $

Ailier gauche	Centre	Ailier droit
Johansson, Marcus 4 500 000 $4 500 000 $ AG, AD UFA - 2	Matthews, Auston 11 640 250 $11 640 250 $ C NMC UFA - 1	Nylander, William 6 962 366 $6 962 366 $ AD NMC UFA - 1
Knies, Matthew 925 000 $925 000 $ AG, AD RFA - 2	Tavares, John 11 000 000 $11 000 000 $ C, AG NMC UFA - 2	Marner, Mitchell 10 903 000 $10 903 000 $ AD NMC UFA - 2
Robertson, Nicholas 796 667 $796 667 $ AG, AD RFA - 1	O'Reilly, Ryan 4 500 000 $4 500 000 $ C UFA - 4	Järnkrok, Calle 2 100 000 $2 100 000 $ AD, C, AG M-NTC UFA - 3
Aston-Reese, Zach 1 000 000 $1 000 000 $ AG, AD UFA - 1	Holmberg, Pontus 1 000 000 $1 000 000 $ C, AG RFA - 2	Lafferty, Sam 1 150 000 $1 150 000 $ AD, C, AG UFA - 1

Défenseur gaucher	Défenseur droitier	Gardien de but
Rielly, Morgan 7 500 000 $7 500 000 $ DG NMC UFA - 7	Brodie, TJ 5 000 000 $5 000 000 $ DG/DD M-NTC UFA - 1	Samsonov, Ilya 4 250 000 $4 250 000 $ G UFA - 1
McCabe, Jake 2 000 000 $2 000 000 $ DG/DD M-NTC UFA - 2	Liljegren, Timothy 1 400 000 $1 400 000 $ DD RFA - 1	Woll, Joseph 766 667 $766 667 $ G RFA - 2
Giordano, Mark 800 000 $800 000 $ DG UFA - 1	Timmins, Conor 1 100 000 $1 100 000 $ DD RFA - 2

Avantage numérique 1
Marner, M.	O'Reilly, R.	Tavares, J.
	Rielly, M.	Matthews, A.

Avantage numérique 2
Knies, M.	Johansson, M.	Nylander, W.
	Robertson, N.	Liljegren, T.

Infériorité numérique 1
	O'Reilly, R.	Järnkrok, C.
	McCabe, J.	Brodie, T.

Infériorité numérique 2
	Holmberg, P.	Lafferty, S.
	Giordano, M.	Liljegren, T.

27 avr. 2023 à 11 h 8

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If we blow this lead it's gonna take a much bigger change than a $4.5M Marcus Johansson lol

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27 avr. 2023 à 11 h 25

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Here's a look at the goaltending situations of the bottom 1-12...note that this doesn't include cap, which many of these guys wouldn't be able to absorb:
Anaheim: Gibby/Dostal
Columbus: Elvis/Tarasov
Chicago: Mrazek/Soderblom/Stauber
San Jose: Kahkonen/Maybe
Montreal: Allen/Montembault/Primeau (waivers eligible)
Zona: Vej/Ingram/Prosvetov (Meh, but waivers)
Philly: Hart/Sandstrom
Washington: Kuemper/Chuck Lindgren
Detroit: Husso/Maybe
St. Louis: Bin/Maybe
Vancouver: Demko/Martin (?) Maybe
Ottawa: LOLZ

When it comes to Arizona, this is the exact opposite of the type of contract that they typically take on. Having them take on $6 mil in actual cash seems like a pretty crazy move...Same with a lot of these teams.

27 avr. 2023 à 11 h 28

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Quoting: Lenny7

Here's a look at the goaltending situations of the bottom 1-12...note that this doesn't include cap, which many of these guys wouldn't be able to absorb:
Anaheim: Gibby/Dostal
Columbus: Elvis/Tarasov
Chicago: Mrazek/Soderblom/Stauber
San Jose: Kahkonen/Maybe
Montreal: Allen/Montembault/Primeau (waivers eligible)
Zona: Vej/Ingram/Prosvetov (Meh, but waivers)
Philly: Hart/Sandstrom
Washington: Kuemper/Chuck Lindgren
Detroit: Husso/Maybe
St. Louis: Bin/Maybe
Vancouver: Demko/Martin (?) Maybe
Ottawa: LOLZ

When it comes to Arizona, this is the exact opposite of the type of contract that they typically take on. Having them take on $6 mil in actual cash seems like a pretty crazy move...Same with a lot of these teams.

I think need a goalie and take on Murray aren't mutually exclusive. Teams like ANA, CHI, SJ, ARI for example could easily just hold him on the roster or even buy him out in exchange for the pick. Could also see a number of those goalies getting traded and using Murray as the stopgap.

Is it really 6M owed left in cash I didn't even think to check to be honest, the Leafs usually structure them very front heavy so I just assumed it was but I guess the Leafs didn't sign this deal. Yea that might steepen the price a bit.

If we really can't move him I guess we'd skip the LW signing, Jarnkrok or Robertson top 6 and re-sign Acciari. Not the end of the world at all but yea.

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27 avr. 2023 à 11 h 36

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Quoting: leafs101

I think need a goalie and take on Murray aren't mutually exclusive. Teams like ANA, CHI, SJ, ARI for example could easily just hold him on the roster or even buy him out in exchange for the pick. Could also see a number of those goalies getting traded and using Murray as the stopgap.

Is it really 6M owed left in cash I didn't even think to check to be honest, the Leafs usually structure them very front heavy so I just assumed it was but I guess the Leafs didn't sign this deal. Yea that might steepen the price a bit.

If we really can't move him I guess we'd skip the LW signing, Jarnkrok or Robertson top 6 and re-sign Acciari. Not the end of the world at all but yea.

Yeah, it was $8 mil, but Ottawa is eating 25%. Honestly, 100% skip Johansson and live with it, IMO. Woll is waiver exempt still, and odds are Murray will be on LTIR pretty quickly again, which will give you the space to add leading up to the deadline.

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27 avr. 2023 à 11 h 43

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Yeah, it was $8 mil, but Ottawa is eating 25%. Honestly, 100% skip Johansson and live with it, IMO. Woll is waiver exempt still, and odds are Murray will be on LTIR pretty quickly again, which will give you the space to add leading up to the deadline.

Woll isn't waiver exempt next year I don't think but I'd honestly just scratch or send down Murray and play Woll, he's ready, healthy, and at this point it would hurt his development to be anywhere else but the NHL.

But yea if someone would take a deal like this, done - if not, we roll with that, certainly can manage if we have to keep him. Even at the TDL most of Murray's money would be paid out, if we go trade for a rental throwing Murray in that package to offset the cap probably isn't as difficult, if he's not already on LTIR.

27 avr. 2023 à 11 h 45

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Quoting: leafs101

Woll isn't waiver exempt next year I don't think but I'd honestly just scratch or send down Murray and play Woll, he's ready, healthy, and at this point it would hurt his development to be anywhere else but the NHL.

But yea if someone would take a deal like this, done - if not, we roll with that, certainly can manage if we have to keep him. Even at the TDL most of Murray's money would be paid out, if we go trade for a rental throwing Murray in that package to offset the cap probably isn't as difficult, if he's not already on LTIR.

Murray has a 10 team no trade list so being traded to a non contender is most definitely not in Murray's interest maybe just keep him and let his contract expire or buy out. Definitely going to be a challenge to find a trade partner that wants him that can afford him and isn't on the no trade list

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27 avr. 2023 à 11 h 47

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Murray has a 10 team no trade list so being traded to a non contender is most definitely not in Murray's interest maybe just keep him and let his contract expire or buy out. Definitely going to be a challenge to find a trade partner that wants him that can afford him and isn't on the no trade list

true but I bet if the Leafs came to him and said you're either 3rd string behind Woll or we trade you to a non-contender, he's picking non-contender to go play and earn his next deal. Which is likely what's happening, Woll has been incredible.

27 avr. 2023 à 11 h 50

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Quoting: Lenny7

Here's a look at the goaltending situations of the bottom 1-12...note that this doesn't include cap, which many of these guys wouldn't be able to absorb:
Anaheim: Gibby/Dostal
Columbus: Elvis/Tarasov
Chicago: Mrazek/Soderblom/Stauber
San Jose: Kahkonen/Maybe
Montreal: Allen/Montembault/Primeau (waivers eligible)
Zona: Vej/Ingram/Prosvetov (Meh, but waivers)
Philly: Hart/Sandstrom
Washington: Kuemper/Chuck Lindgren
Detroit: Husso/Maybe
St. Louis: Bin/Maybe
Vancouver: Demko/Martin (?) Maybe
Ottawa: LOLZ

When it comes to Arizona, this is the exact opposite of the type of contract that they typically take on. Having them take on $6 mil in actual cash seems like a pretty crazy move...Same with a lot of these teams.

Detroit owns the Vancouver and St. Louis seconds so you’re down to just the 2 teams with a “maybe” beside them in the bottom 12. As a wings fan though I did propose this exact trade about a week ago so would be happy to see it. Think the leafs would be able to handle a buyout or ltir instead though

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27 avr. 2023 à 11 h 54

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Detroit owns the Vancouver and St. Louis seconds so you’re down to just the 2 teams with a “maybe” beside them in the bottom 12. As a wings fan though I did propose this exact trade about a week ago so would be happy to see it. Think the leafs would be able to handle a buyout or ltir instead though

we can't do a buyout, 2M cap penalty the year Matthews and Nylander extensions would kick in. We can just scratch him, bury him in the minors and soak the cap for one year, or if possible LTIR.

27 avr. 2023 à 11 h 56

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Quoting: pavelisgoat

Detroit owns the Vancouver and St. Louis seconds so you’re down to just the 2 teams with a “maybe” beside them in the bottom 12. As a wings fan though I did propose this exact trade about a week ago so would be happy to see it. Think the leafs would be able to handle a buyout or ltir instead though

Very true. Only thing I'd be worried about with a buyout for the Leafs is that having $2 mil extra on the books in 24/25 might not be ideal when they're trying to negotiate with Matthews/Nylander. Another team could certainly do it, but it still costs $4 mil over the two years.

I don't know...I definitely didn't see Mrazek being as easy to dump as he was last year, so who knows.

27 avr. 2023 à 12 h 23

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Quoting: Lenny7

Here's a look at the goaltending situations of the bottom 1-12...note that this doesn't include cap, which many of these guys wouldn't be able to absorb:
Anaheim: Gibby/Dostal
Columbus: Elvis/Tarasov
Chicago: Mrazek/Soderblom/Stauber
San Jose: Kahkonen/Maybe
Montreal: Allen/Montembault/Primeau (waivers eligible)
Zona: Vej/Ingram/Prosvetov (Meh, but waivers)
Philly: Hart/Sandstrom
Washington: Kuemper/Chuck Lindgren
Detroit: Husso/Maybe
St. Louis: Bin/Maybe
Vancouver: Demko/Martin (?) Maybe
Ottawa: LOLZ

When it comes to Arizona, this is the exact opposite of the type of contract that they typically take on. Having them take on $6 mil in actual cash seems like a pretty crazy move...Same with a lot of these teams.

It's not actually 6 million though eh? Ottawa is paying a 3rd of his salary. It's actually 5.36 million. But let's just round up to 6 because that makes it much worse right?

27 avr. 2023 à 12 h 24

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Quoting: Lenny7

Yeah, it was $8 mil, but Ottawa is eating 25%. Honestly, 100% skip Johansson and live with it, IMO. Woll is waiver exempt still, and odds are Murray will be on LTIR pretty quickly again, which will give you the space to add leading up to the deadline.

Pretty sure Ottawa is eating 33 percent no?

27 avr. 2023 à 12 h 26

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It's not actually 6 million though eh? Ottawa is paying a 3rd of his salary. It's actually 5.36 million. But let's just round up to 6 because that makes it much worse right?

man 5.36M is still a very tough pill for a cap dump

27 avr. 2023 à 12 h 29

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man 5.36M is still a very tough pill for a cap dump

I was wrong, it is 25% so 6 million in cash but a lower cap hit. Still, despite his Leaf status making his value plummet 200% beyond what it should be, he's a better than many option netminder. The market is trash this summer. Murray isn't that bad of an option. Is Andersen or Jarry and better really? Andersen is hurt all the time and fails in the post season. Jarry is injury prone and often inconsistent. Who knows Murray may get in a few games in the playoffs and do well cementing his reputation as a playoff performer. Still hockey to be played if he ever gets healthy.

27 avr. 2023 à 12 h 30

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I was wrong, it is 25% so 6 million in cash but a lower cap hit. Still, despite his Leaf status making his value plummet 200% beyond what it should be, he's a better than many option netminder. The market is trash this summer. Murray isn't that bad of an option. Is Andersen or Jarry and better really? Andersen is hurt all the time and fails in the post season. Jarry is injury prone and often inconsistent. Who knows Murray may get in a few games in the playoffs and do well cementing his reputation as a playoff performer. Still hockey to be played if he ever gets healthy.

man Murray at 4.68M against the cap and 6M in cash is absolutely not better than most options. He's hurt all the time and hasn't posted a month at .900sv% or more in 2023. No team with playoff aspirations will take him, maybe some bottom feeders will take a sweetener for taking him.

But hey, Dubas took two swings with high risk high reward in Murray and Samsonov, and we really only needed one of them to hit - and Sammy certainly has.

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27 avr. 2023 à 15 h 20

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man Murray at 4.68M against the cap and 6M in cash is absolutely not better than most options. He's hurt all the time and hasn't posted a month at .900sv% or more in 2023. No team with playoff aspirations will take him, maybe some bottom feeders will take a sweetener for taking him.

But hey, Dubas took two swings with high risk high reward in Murray and Samsonov, and we really only needed one of them to hit - and Sammy certainly has.

Who isn't available and hurt all the time? Andersen and Jarry?

27 avr. 2023 à 15 h 25

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Who isn't available and hurt all the time? Andersen and Jarry?

Matt Murray over last 2 seasons: 46 GP, .906 sv% last year, .903 sv% this year

Freddie Andersen over last 2 seasons: 86 GP, .922 sv% last year, .903 sv% this year

Tristan Jarry over last 2 seasons: 105 GP, .919 sv% last year, .909 sv% this year.

Murray is the worst option of those three and it's not particularly close.

27 avr. 2023 à 15 h 33

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Matt Murray over last 2 seasons: 46 GP, .906 sv% last year, .903 sv% this year

Freddie Andersen over last 2 seasons: 86 GP, .922 sv% last year, .903 sv% this year

Tristan Jarry over last 2 seasons: 105 GP, .919 sv% last year, .909 sv% this year.

Murray is the worst option of those three and it's not particularly close.

2 cups means something to some. He's better than Mrazek and that is the market price.

27 avr. 2023 à 16 h 11

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2 cups means something to some. He's better than Mrazek and that is the market price.

2 cups doesn't justify the price per game played when you haven't won a playoff round in 5 years and a cup in 6, and play 20 games a year and put up slightly above average numbers in half of those games and well below average numbers in the other half.

And yes, maybe we get off paying the Mrazek price, but it also depends on the goaltending situation of teams willing to accept cap dumps and the number of teams that would entertain it.

I think the Mrazek dump is what the price would roughly be as well, but to suggest he's a valid option for a contending team at 4.7M (a price tag at which he'd have to be the starter most likely), never mind insinuating that he's a better option than Jarry (who still played 47 games despite injury this season compared to Murray's 20) is ridiculous.

27 avr. 2023 à 17 h 16

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2 cups doesn't justify the price per game played when you haven't won a playoff round in 5 years and a cup in 6, and play 20 games a year and put up slightly above average numbers in half of those games and well below average numbers in the other half.

And yes, maybe we get off paying the Mrazek price, but it also depends on the goaltending situation of teams willing to accept cap dumps and the number of teams that would entertain it.

I think the Mrazek dump is what the price would roughly be as well, but to suggest he's a valid option for a contending team at 4.7M (a price tag at which he'd have to be the starter most likely), never mind insinuating that he's a better option than Jarry (who still played 47 games despite injury this season compared to Murray's 20) is ridiculous.

His 47 games played though is a bad number to look at, while yes he did get injured 3 times this season. He also split time with Samsonov for most of the season. He only really had 1 stretch where he got a few starts in a row and he played his best hockey in that stretch.

Also his last injury was so unlucky. I hope he gets a chance to play next year and rebuild his value because he is a good goalie when he's healthy.

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Kulikov, Dmitry 1 500 000 $1 500 000 $ DG/DD UFA - 1
Stalock, Alex 1 000 000 $1 000 000 $ G UFA - 1

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Steeves, Alex 834 167 $834 167 $ (0 $$00 $$0) AG, AD RFA - 1
McMann, Bobby 762 500 $762 500 $ (0 $$00 $$0) AD, AG UFA - 1
Benn, Jordie 775 000 $775 000 $ (0 $$00 $$0) DG/DD UFA
Mete, Victor 775 000 $775 000 $ (0 $$00 $$0) DG/DD UFA - 1
Källgren, Erik 775 000 $775 000 $ (0 $$00 $$0) G UFA - 1
Simmonds, Wayne 775 000 $775 000 $ (0 $$00 $$0) AD, AG UFA

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