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19 avr. 2023 à 19 h 34
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Worst trade ever created on here. Not happening.
19 avr. 2023 à 19 h 36
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Habs arent trading Farrell unless is for a superstar or for like top 3 in the draft
19 avr. 2023 à 19 h 42
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Habs arent trading Farrell unless is for a superstar or for like top 3 in the draft

You’re over valuing Farrell quite a bit don’t you think!?

In 6 Pro games he scored 1 fluke goal and was a -2

Ruzicka might actually become the better player and Kovacevic likely isn’t worth a 2nd. Thought that was an overly generous offer by CGY tbh
19 avr. 2023 à 19 h 45
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Horrendous trade for toronto
19 avr. 2023 à 19 h 45
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Habs arent trading Farrell unless is for a superstar or for like top 3 in the draft


Wait what?
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19 avr. 2023 à 19 h 47
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Modifié 19 avr. 2023 à 19 h 56
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Horrendous trade for toronto

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Worst trade ever created on here. Not happening.

Really, why!?

Hanifin + Dube = Nylander + Lafferty
Tanev = Brodie/McCabe
Kylington + Rooney = McCabe/Brodie

I really don’t see how Brodie or McCabe are any better than Tanev and if Kylington returns and does even 1/2 what he did last season, that’d pretty much match their output as well

Hanifin is a Star D-Man and Dube is a cost controlled W/C would explode offensively in TOR’s Top-6

Reilly-Tanev
Kylington-Liljegren/Holl
Giordano-Schenn/Timmins
19 avr. 2023 à 19 h 55
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Quoting: KingofRnR
Really, why!?

Hanifin + Dube = Nylander + Lafferty
Tanev = Brodie/McCabe
Kylington + Rooney = McCabe/Brodie


Lmao is this a joke? McCabe at 2M is worth far more than Kylington and Rooney, Rooney is a cap dump and Kylington hasn't even played in a year. Nylander + Lafferty is definitely better than Hanifin + Dube.
19 avr. 2023 à 20 h 3
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Really, why!?

Hanifin + Dube = Nylander + Lafferty
Tanev = Brodie/McCabe
Kylington + Rooney = McCabe/Brodie

I really don’t see how Brodie or McCabe are any better than Tanev and if Kylington returns and does even 1/2 what he did last season, that’d pretty much match their output as well

Hanifin is a Star D-Man and Dube is a cost controlled W/C would explode offensively in TOR’s Top-6

Reilly-Tanev
Kylington-Liljegren/Holl
Giordano-Schenn/Timmins


Those valuations simply are not correct
19 avr. 2023 à 20 h 16
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Quoting: KingofRnR
You’re over valuing Farrell quite a bit don’t you think!?

In 6 Pro games he scored 1 fluke goal and was a -2

Ruzicka might actually become the better player and Kovacevic likely isn’t worth a 2nd. Thought that was an overly generous offer by CGY tbh


Farrell had 53 points at Harvard this past year. More than Matthew Coronato. Its like offering Jake Evans for Coronato

And hes played 6 games and only because the Habs had no one else to play. He'll probably play in the AHL next year but hes someone who might be in our top 6 by seasons end
19 avr. 2023 à 20 h 17
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Quoting: littlejerryseinfeld
Wait what?


use your brain, hes over valued because the Habs arent moving him after 6 nhl games
19 avr. 2023 à 20 h 37
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Lmao is this a joke? McCabe at 2M is worth far more than Kylington and Rooney, Rooney is a cap dump and Kylington hasn't even played in a year. Nylander + Lafferty is definitely better than Hanifin + Dube.

Maybe if you’re assuming Kylington returns and isn’t as good as he was, but why would that be an assumption!? He’s not out due to injury.

Kylington 9G+22A=31PTS/73GP +34 That’s 0.42PPG with just 18min ATOI, including a little over 1min/gm on the PP. It’s been a long time since Brodie put those kinds of numbers up and he played 3 more minutes per game than Kylington did….

Kylington > Brodie
Tanev > McCabe
Hanifin > Tanev/Kylington/Brodie/McCabe

Quoting: littlejerryseinfeld
Those valuations simply are not correct

Easier to offer useless comments than to attempt to justify them I guess. Thanks for nothing

Nylander’s a stud, but if you consider the Team, Their Play Style & System and who his Line Mates are, it’s pretty clear why Nylander has the Stats he does.

Michael Bunting is the perfect example of this. Dube would do way better than Bunting given the same opportunity

Whatever. It’s the classic Under Valuing of Flames Players and Over Valuing of the other Teams Players going on here, as usual. Not surprised
19 avr. 2023 à 20 h 44
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Farrell had 53 points at Harvard this past year. More than Matthew Coronato. Its like offering Jake Evans for Coronato

And hes played 6 games and only because the Habs had no one else to play. He'll probably play in the AHL next year but hes someone who might be in our top 6 by seasons end

Who cares, Harvard had a great team, Coronato was his Centre and he’s 1 year older. Nothing there says he’s near as valuable too or better than Coronato, who again, plays Centre, has a Right Shot and has much better size for the NHL

I’ll give you that Farrell’s stock has increased, but you’re simply & clearly being quite unreasonable
19 avr. 2023 à 20 h 59
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Maybe if you’re assuming Kylington returns and isn’t as good as he was, but why would that be an assumption!? He’s not out due to injury.

Kylington 9G+22A=31PTS/73GP +34 That’s 0.42PPG with just 18min ATOI, including a little over 1min/gm on the PP. It’s been a long time since Brodie put those kinds of numbers up and he played 3 more minutes per game than Kylington did….

Kylington > Brodie
Tanev > McCabe
Hanifin > Tanev/Kylington/Brodie/McCabe


Easier to offer useless comments than to attempt to justify them I guess. Thanks for nothing

Nylander’s a stud, but if you consider the Team, Their Play Style & System and who his Line Mates are, it’s pretty clear why Nylander has the Stats he does.

Michael Bunting is the perfect example of this. Dube would do way better than Bunting given the same opportunity

Whatever. It’s the classic Under Valuing of Flames Players and Over Valuing of the other Teams Players going on here, as usual. Not surprised


McCabe with 2 more years at 2M is far more valuable than Tanev with one year left at 4.5M. Also "It’s the classic Under Valuing of Flames Players and Over Valuing of the other Teams Players going on here"? Isn't that what youre doing, over valuing your players and belittling others? You realize Nylander has performed no matter who his center is? Whether its Matthews or Alex Kerfoot. The whole "hes only good because he plays with so and so" is the laziest and uneducated comment in sports. You act as if Toronto is the only team where he would play with a good center. Also the Leafs have a pretty defensive system, they dont play run and gun this isn't 2017 so I dont know why youre insinuating that pumps his stats. Maybe go watch a highlight reel of his goals instead of just staring at stats before you come on here spreading lies lol.
19 avr. 2023 à 21 h 26
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McCabe with 2 more years at 2M is far more valuable than Tanev with one year left at 4.5M. Also "It’s the classic Under Valuing of Flames Players and Over Valuing of the other Teams Players going on here"? Isn't that what youre doing, over valuing your players and belittling others? You realize Nylander has performed no matter who his center is? Whether its Matthews or Alex Kerfoot. The whole "hes only good because he plays with so and so" is the laziest and uneducated comment in sports. You act as if Toronto is the only team where he would play with a good center. Also the Leafs have a pretty defensive system, they dont play run and gun this isn't 2017 so I dont know why youre insinuating that pumps his stats. Maybe go watch a highlight reel of his goals instead of just staring at stats before you come on here spreading lies lol.

Actually, no it’s not. Far from it

The only one insinuating anything here is you my friend

I said Nylander’s a stud. I never said that he is or would only be good playing on the Leafs, I simply pointed out he plays with high end talent, which increases his offensive stats, so stop making up lies, like I’m belittling or diminishing the TOR players. I did no such thing

How many Goals did TOR allow last night, 7!? You call that defensive??? TOR scrambled to acquire Schenn and McCabe at the Deadline because they’re not Defensive enough, which is the entire purpose of this thread

Trade one Star Forward to a Team needing another Top-6 Scoring Forward in exchange for better Defenders

If/When TOR gets ousted in the 1st Round AGAIN, they’ll build from the back end up, instead of the other way around, which hasn’t been working for them obviously

Losing Mikheyev after last season, Engelland this season and then losing Kerfoot & Holl and possibly Schenn, Aston-Reese, Acciari and Kampf after this season is going to hurt you guys defensively even more.

The Oilers eventually learned out scoring your opponent doesn’t work in the Playoffs, so stacked their Defense. The Leafs are not much better than the Sabres when it comes to Valuing & Playing Defensive over the, “We’ll just Out Score Our Opponents” strategy
20 avr. 2023 à 16 h 0
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Quoting: KingofRnR
Actually, no it’s not. Far from it

The only one insinuating anything here is you my friend

I said Nylander’s a stud. I never said that he is or would only be good playing on the Leafs, I simply pointed out he plays with high end talent, which increases his offensive stats, so stop making up lies, like I’m belittling or diminishing the TOR players. I did no such thing

How many Goals did TOR allow last night, 7!? You call that defensive??? TOR scrambled to acquire Schenn and McCabe at the Deadline because they’re not Defensive enough, which is the entire purpose of this thread

Trade one Star Forward to a Team needing another Top-6 Scoring Forward in exchange for better Defenders

If/When TOR gets ousted in the 1st Round AGAIN, they’ll build from the back end up, instead of the other way around, which hasn’t been working for them obviously

Losing Mikheyev after last season, Engelland this season and then losing Kerfoot & Holl and possibly Schenn, Aston-Reese, Acciari and Kampf after this season is going to hurt you guys defensively even more.

The Oilers eventually learned out scoring your opponent doesn’t work in the Playoffs, so stacked their Defense. The Leafs are not much better than the Sabres when it comes to Valuing & Playing Defensive over the, “We’ll just Out Score Our Opponents” strategy


Since when does 1 game define a team? They're 7th in both goals allowed and shots allowed, not too mention the rest of their defensive metrics are top 10 despite having average goaltending and bottom 5 goaltending last year. They acquired McCabe and Schenn to bolster their depth, that doesnt mean they thought the defence sucked. Does trading for ROR and Acciari mean they didn't think they're offense wasn't good enough? Mikheyev and Engvall were useless in the playoffs. Guys like ZAR, Kampf, Kerfoot are easy to replace, they already have Holmberg, McMann and Lafferty coming in to replace them and could easily find better players in free agency.

Idk if you just rely on facebook boomers for your information or are stuck in 2019, but youre post is so out of touch with reality its hilarious. The defence hasn't been a problem in the playoffs in like 3 years. Their offense has been the reason they haven't advanced. Idk how you blame the defence for their losses when they have a combined 3 goals in their last 4 game 5/7s.
20 avr. 2023 à 16 h 3
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How many Goals did TOR allow last night, 7!? You call that defensive??? TOR scrambled to acquire Schenn and McCabe at the Deadline because they’re not Defensive enough, which is the entire purpose of this thread



Maybe try watching a game or doing some research instead of coming on here pretending to know what you talk about. In Lebruns recent article he talked about how GMs and coaches hes talked to referred to the Leafs being a heavy defensive team with how much they collapse around their net instead of resorting to stretch passes and taking risks for offense and even used Maurice as his source. You think you know more than an actual NHL coach?
23 avr. 2023 à 15 h 17
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Quoting: KingofRnR
Really, why!?

Hanifin + Dube = Nylander + Lafferty
Tanev = Brodie/McCabe
Kylington + Rooney = McCabe/Brodie

I really don’t see how Brodie or McCabe are any better than Tanev and if Kylington returns and does even 1/2 what he did last season, that’d pretty much match their output as well

Hanifin is a Star D-Man and Dube is a cost controlled W/C would explode offensively in TOR’s Top-6

Reilly-Tanev
Kylington-Liljegren/Holl
Giordano-Schenn/Timmins


"Kylington + Rooney = McCabe/Brodie"

I mean, Rooney isn't really an asset. He's a 1M drag on the cap. You may need to find another team to pay for that contract.

I think Nylander is a good fit. Torontonians are adamant that they will be able to resign Matthews, and Marner as well as Nylander, but the team is so top heavy already. Washington had the same issue with Ovie in the early 2000s and Edmonton languished longer than necessary because of large contracts for all their stars. It would make sense to me for them to get some cost security with cheaper forwards (like they currently do with Bunting) who aren't making much but just benefit from playing with Marner, Tavares, and Matthews. Dube or Mangiapane would light it up on Toronto's 1st or 2nd lines. Plus, it's a Torontonian for Calgarian swap which makes it appealing.

That's also why I'm skeptical of any winger who plays with Crosby. Their stats are always inflated.
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