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(TBL/SJS) - Namestnikov for Eyssimont

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1 mars 2023 à 20 h 44
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Not sure why everyone says Tampa won this deal. I understand cap space, but Namestnikov is a much better player
1 mars 2023 à 20 h 51
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Not sure why everyone says Tampa won this deal. I understand cap space, but Namestnikov is a much better player


Namestnikov was currently a 2.5M scratched player. Not where you wanna have your cap goin when your contending. Especially with Myers also
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1 mars 2023 à 22 h 29
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2 mars 2023 à 0 h 41
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Not sure why everyone says Tampa won this deal. I understand cap space, but Namestnikov is a much better player


this site will blame mike grier for just simply breathing
2 mars 2023 à 8 h 49
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this site will blame mike grier for just simply breathing


How is trading your hardest working player, who was a waiver claim… and actually playing really good hockey on a bad team (he was arguably our most valuable skater behind Karlsson, Timo, Barabanov, Hertl) - for a guy who we’re going to flip for a 4th a invalid criticism?

Guys a GM.. he hasn’t been a gm for a week anymore, he deserves equal criticism just like Bill Armstrong, Ron Hextall, any GM who makes a bad move.
2 mars 2023 à 9 h 14
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I’m trying to figure out if this is a cap dump or a hockey trade. I think it might be a little of both.

It looks like a cap dump for Tampa Bay, but they retained half his salary and took back a player, so they only saved $500,000 in cap hit. They could save more if they waive Eyssimont, which would still leave them with 12 forwards, but Cap Friendly says they have $1.2M in cap space now, so unless they’re planning another move they didn’t need the $500,000 they just freed up. This makes me wonder if maybe they like Eyssimont and see him as better suited to a bottom-6 role in the playoffs than Namestnikov. Why include him – a player who appears to have value for San Jose – if it’s just a cap dump? If they did this to free up cap space for another move, to go for such a small amount they must already have a pretty good idea what that move is going to be.

Meanwhile, why would a team that’s out of the playoffs take on a rental cap dump without getting some future asset for doing that? Not only did they not get anything, they actually gave up a player who’s been putting up decent numbers for them and who, as a pending RFA, they could have brought back next season. It appears that they gave up a useful player for something of no value, and even with the retention, it’s costing them money to do that. The only thing that makes sense is if for some reason they didn’t plan to offer Eyssimont a contract next year, and they think that with retention they can flip Namestnikov to another team for more than they would have got for Eyssimont. Either that or they want to try to sign Namestnikov for next season and the retention is just to save them some cash now. Even in those scenarios, I see no reason for them to include Eyssimont in the deal unless Tampa really wanted him. They could have done it for future considerations.
2 mars 2023 à 9 h 51
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Miss him in WPG, big sad he was waived


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2 mars 2023 à 11 h 41
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Just breathing while making these dumb trades.
2 mars 2023 à 12 h 24
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Namestnikov was currently a 2.5M scratched player. Not where you wanna have your cap goin when your contending. Especially with Myers also


Makes sense, I understand that on tampa's side. Really its a win-win situation for both sides.

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Lol so I have noticed haha
2 mars 2023 à 12 h 41
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How is trading your hardest working player, who was a waiver claim… and actually playing really good hockey on a bad team (he was arguably our most valuable skater behind Karlsson, Timo, Barabanov, Hertl) - for a guy who we’re going to flip for a 4th a invalid criticism?

Guys a GM.. he hasn’t been a gm for a week anymore, he deserves equal criticism just like Bill Armstrong, Ron Hextall, any GM who makes a bad move.


dude calm down he has 8 points in 20 games getting him for a fourth actually sounds like a steal
2 mars 2023 à 12 h 49
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dude calm down he has 8 points in 20 games getting him for a fourth actually sounds like a steal


lol im quite calm. Its kinda funny/ ironic that you get logical response to you claiming his criticisms are illogical and thats all you say.
2 mars 2023 à 14 h 44
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Ok sharks ? ???? Why though
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Don’t you guys have youth?????????????
3 mars 2023 à 20 h 39
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Namestnikov is a pending UFA while Eyssimont is a pending RFA.

And San Jose just gave away cap space like Halloween candy.


Tampa wins the trade.
3 mars 2023 à 20 h 55
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I’m trying to figure out if this is a cap dump or a hockey trade. I think it might be a little of both.

It looks like a cap dump for Tampa Bay, but they retained half his salary and took back a player, so they only saved $500,000 in cap hit. They could save more if they waive Eyssimont, which would still leave them with 12 forwards, but Cap Friendly says they have $1.2M in cap space now, so unless they’re planning another move they didn’t need the $500,000 they just freed up. This makes me wonder if maybe they like Eyssimont and see him as better suited to a bottom-6 role in the playoffs than Namestnikov. Why include him – a player who appears to have value for San Jose – if it’s just a cap dump? If they did this to free up cap space for another move, to go for such a small amount they must already have a pretty good idea what that move is going to be.

Meanwhile, why would a team that’s out of the playoffs take on a rental cap dump without getting some future asset for doing that? Not only did they not get anything, they actually gave up a player who’s been putting up decent numbers for them and who, as a pending RFA, they could have brought back next season. It appears that they gave up a useful player for something of no value, and even with the retention, it’s costing them money to do that. The only thing that makes sense is if for some reason they didn’t plan to offer Eyssimont a contract next year, and they think that with retention they can flip Namestnikov to another team for more than they would have got for Eyssimont. Either that or they want to try to sign Namestnikov for next season and the retention is just to save them some cash now. Even in those scenarios, I see no reason for them to include Eyssimont in the deal unless Tampa really wanted him. They could have done it for future considerations.


This makes more sense now that San Jose has flipped Namestnikov to Winnipeg for a 4th-round pick. I guess they couldn't get that much for Eyssimont (certainly not from Winnipeg, since they waived him earlier in the season), and getting the retention from Tampa enabled them to fit Namestnikov under Winnipeg's cap without San Jose retaining anything, though San Jose never did use their third retention slot.
 
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