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Créé par: SankFeravalli
Équipe: 2022-23 Avalanche du Colorado
Date de création initiale: 19 févr. 2023
Publié: 19 févr. 2023
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
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Credit to @NOTJoeSakic for proposing something similar first.

2C is obviously Colorado’s biggest position of need. After a couple of down years early in his Ducks tenure, Henrique has bounced back with two consecutive solid seasons, both by counting stats and underlying metrics (see JFresh’s player card). He could step into Colorado’s 2C spot where he would benefit from all the talent around him. Henrique probably won’t be a 1-for-1 replacement for 21-22 Nazem Kadri, but I don’t think he has to be. Outside of the 2C position, and assuming health, Colorado’s top 9 is just as good as last season, if not better. Even if Henrique doesn’t work in the 2C spot, his positional versatility and strong two-way play should make him a valuable addition somewhere inside the Avs’ top 9.

Kulikov steps into a third-pair role while Erik Johnson is out, and will provide quality depth for what’s hopefully a deep playoff run. Colorado was very lucky to only use 7 defensemen last postseason.

The structure and return are based on the Tarasenko trade:
Henrique = Tarasenko (Tarasenko is the more dynamic scorer, but Henriques term and positional value make them comparable in my opinion)
Kulikov = Mikkola (Kulikov has played a more significant role this season)
Ranta = Blais (Ranta could probably play in the NHL right now as a bottom six power forward, similar to Blais. He just hasn’t fit in Colorado’s system yet)
The Rangers gave a ‘23 1st and a conditional 4th (which should turn into a 3rd). Colorado gives a ‘23 1st and ‘25 2nd. They pay a little more because of the additional year of retained salary, and they get back a ‘23 4th which will be their first pick in the upcoming draft.

The current structure would be contingent on Erik Johnson going on LTIR for the rest of the regular season. Otherwise they’d have to do some additional cap gymnastics.
Transactions
COL
  1. Henrique, Adam (2 912 500 $ retained)
  2. Kulikov, Dmitry
  3. Choix de 4e ronde en 2023 (ANA)
ANA
  1. Ranta, Sampo
  2. Choix de 1e ronde en 2023 (COL)
  3. Choix de 2e ronde en 2025 (COL)
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2382 500 000 $76 852 083 $25 000 $3 687 500 $5 647 917 $
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4 500 000 $4 500 000 $
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6 300 000 $6 300 000 $
C
NMC
UFA - 1
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2 000 000 $2 000 000 $
AG, C
UFA - 1
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6 125 000 $6 125 000 $
AD, AG
NMC
UFA - 8
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-1 456 250 $-1 456 250 $
AG, C
M-NTC
UFA - 2
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9 250 000 $9 250 000 $
AD, C
UFA - 3
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908 333 $908 333 $ (Bonis de performance850 000 $$850K)
C, AG
RFA - 1
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3 500 000 $3 500 000 $
C, AD
UFA - 1
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1 050 000 $1 050 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 3
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1 250 000 $1 250 000 $
AG
UFA - 1
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912 500 $912 500 $ (Bonis de performance212 500 $$212K)
AG, C
UFA - 1
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850 000 $850 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 1
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4 100 000 $4 100 000 $
DG
UFA - 2
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9 000 000 $9 000 000 $
DD
UFA - 5
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3 400 000 $3 400 000 $
G
UFA - 3
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894 167 $894 167 $ (Bonis de performance2 500 000 $$2M)
DG/DD
RFA - 1
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4 500 000 $4 500 000 $
DD
NTC
UFA - 4
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5 000 000 $5 000 000 $
DG/DD
UFA - 5
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1 125 000 $1 125 000 $
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M-NTC
UFA - 1
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880 833 $880 833 $ (Bonis de performance125 000 $$125K)
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987 500 $987 500 $
DG/DD, AG
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2 000 000 $2 000 000 $
G
UFA - 2
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6 000 000 $6 000 000 $
DD
M-NTC, NMC
UFA - 1
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750 000 $750 000 $
DG
UFA - 1
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7 000 000 $7 000 000 $
AG, C
NMC
UFA - 7
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750 000 $750 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 1
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1 250 000 $1 250 000 $
C, AG, AD
UFA - 1

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19 févr. 2023 à 12 h 24
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I still think the Avs make it a '24 1st because they have basically nothing to show for the last 3(?) drafts.
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I believe that would pry Henrique out of Anaheim.
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Big concern I have with Rico is that he has been playing mostly wing with Zegras so: 1) he's been out-of-position and, 2) he's got some inflated numbers playing with a guy that's a better C than him. Also would want to make it the 2024 1st.
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19 févr. 2023 à 15 h 19
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'24 1st for Rico 50% retained. Straight up deal.
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19 févr. 2023 à 16 h 14
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I would, of course, accept that deal as the Anaheim GM, and I probably would accept it if the first were the Avs' 2024, too -- in which case, we might get to drop the fourth.

I agree completely with the three esteemed Colorado authorities above that the Avs should not trade away their 2023 first, but none of them mentioned what to me is the most compelling reason: what if their bad luck continues, and the Avs miss the playoffs? In that case, trading away the 2023 pick would be a disaster following on the heels of a catastrophe. A prudent GM or front office can't take that chance.
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19 févr. 2023 à 16 h 45
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Quoting: OldNYIfan
I would, of course, accept that deal as the Anaheim GM, and I probably would accept it if the first were the Avs' 2024, too -- in which case, we might get to drop the fourth.

I agree completely with the three esteemed Colorado authorities above that the Avs should not trade away their 2023 first, but none of them mentioned what to me is the most compelling reason: what if their bad luck continues, and the Avs miss the playoffs? In that case, trading away the 2023 pick would be a disaster following on the heels of a catastrophe. A prudent GM or front office can't take that chance.


Spot on and well said. I think we're all sticking our fingers in our ears and 'la-la'ing we can't hear you' when it comes to idea of missing the playoffs....we don't even want to think about that happening! tears of joy
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19 févr. 2023 à 16 h 50
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Quoting: OldNYIfan
I would, of course, accept that deal as the Anaheim GM, and I probably would accept it if the first were the Avs' 2024, too -- in which case, we might get to drop the fourth.

I agree completely with the three esteemed Colorado authorities above that the Avs should not trade away their 2023 first, but none of them mentioned what to me is the most compelling reason: what if their bad luck continues, and the Avs miss the playoffs? In that case, trading away the 2023 pick would be a disaster following on the heels of a catastrophe. A prudent GM or front office can't take that chance.


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Spot on and well said. I think we're all sticking our fingers in our ears and 'la-la'ing we can't hear you' when it comes to idea of missing the playoffs....we don't even want to think about that happening! tears of joy


The Avs are still winning like 7 out of 10. Sure there are some stinkers but they aren't losing ground on anyone in the division. Yes it could happen, but they don't seem to be trending that way anymore.
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19 févr. 2023 à 18 h 29
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The Avs are still winning like 7 out of 10. Sure there are some stinkers but they aren't losing ground on anyone in the division. Yes it could happen, but they don't seem to be trending that way anymore.


Echoing this - I don’t think missing the playoffs is in anyone’s minds. But I understand @OldNYIfan’s point

I’d have 0 issues with a ‘24 1st round pick instead of ‘23. I think selling teams are going to press hard for the “23 picks though, given the strength of the draft class.
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Big concern I have with Rico is that he has been playing mostly wing with Zegras so: 1) he's been out-of-position and, 2) he's got some inflated numbers playing with a guy that's a better C than him. Also would want to make it the 2024 1st.


I wouldn’t be concerned with the quality of linemate in Anaheim. Henrique would have plenty of talent available to play with in Colorado.

I’d hope that a vet like him who spent a ton of his career at center can make the transition back to his natural position. But I understand where you’re coming from. There would be some adjustment.
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Echoing this - I don’t think missing the playoffs is in anyone’s minds. But I understand OldNYIfan’s point

I’d have 0 issues with a ‘24 1st round pick instead of ‘23. I think selling teams are going to press hard for the “23 picks though, given the strength of the draft class.

Well, if missing the playoffs isn't in MacFarland's mind, he's committing GM malpractice. A responsible GM has to prepare for all eventualities, not just the good ones. So any move he makes has to be done only after considering the possible effect of every possibility, including missing the playoffs. For example: Suppose he decides that he DOES want to trade his 2023 first. Do you think that there's any chance he won't lottery-protect that pick? Now take it one step further: if he thinks of that, do you think that the idea of missing the playoffs isn't far behind?

I suspect that Anaheim would be likely to accept the 2024 pick in some deal for Henrique. That should carry a lot of weight when MacFarland considers alternative proposals that require the 2023 selection.
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Well, if missing the playoffs isn't in MacFarland's mind, he's committing GM malpractice. A responsible GM has to prepare for all eventualities, not just the good ones. So any move he makes has to be done only after considering the possible effect of every possibility, including missing the playoffs. For example: Suppose he decides that he DOES want to trade his 2023 first. Do you think that there's any chance he won't lottery-protect that pick? Now take it one step further: if he thinks of that, do you think that the idea of missing the playoffs isn't far behind?

I suspect that Anaheim would be likely to accept the 2024 pick in some deal for Henrique. That should carry a lot of weight when MacFarland considers alternative proposals that require the 2023 selection.


Let me re-phrase: I don’t think anyone is preparing to miss the playoffs. Sure, teams take precautions all the time to protect themselves from the unthinkable. Like you said, it’s the prudent thing to do. Look at the Tarasenko trade. St. Louis gets the later of the two first round picks the Rangers own.

But as the GM of a team that expects to compete for back-to-back Stanley Cups, I wouldn’t expect a 2023 vs 2024 pick to prevent McFarland from pulling the trigger on a trade he thinks will meaningfully improve his team. I’d also argue that the risk of missing the playoffs next season is just as significant as it is this season. The real value in the 2023 pick comes from the strength of the draft class.
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Big concern I have with Rico is that he has been playing mostly wing with Zegras so: 1) he's been out-of-position and, 2) he's got some inflated numbers playing with a guy that's a better C than him. Also would want to make it the 2024 1st.


He's taken significantly more faceoffs than Zegras, or anyone else on the team outside of Strome. He's been at C a lot.
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Quoting: OldNYIfan
I would, of course, accept that deal as the Anaheim GM, and I probably would accept it if the first were the Avs' 2024, too -- in which case, we might get to drop the fourth.

I agree completely with the three esteemed Colorado authorities above that the Avs should not trade away their 2023 first, but none of them mentioned what to me is the most compelling reason: what if their bad luck continues, and the Avs miss the playoffs? In that case, trading away the 2023 pick would be a disaster following on the heels of a catastrophe. A prudent GM or front office can't take that chance.


At this point, I think the cost to acquire Henrique has gone up. Horvat has been traded, ROR has been traded, and Toews is officially off the board. Henrique is now probably the top 2 way center that could be available.
 
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