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Équipe: 2022-23 Maple Leafs de Toronto
Date de création initiale: 28 janv. 2023
Publié: 28 janv. 2023
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Ok, I know that the leafs getting Meier isn't likely, but it's isn't completly out of the question either, so this is what I think it would look like if it happened.

Kerfoot needs to be in the trade for salary reasons, or at least Engvall, unless you somehow get double retention with a 3rd team.

People who think the leafs will get him without giving up someone like Knies or Sandin are kidding themselves. SJS will want a major piece coming back. A first round pick being included is also a must (probably has to be 2023, but maybe 2024 would work).

The rest of the assets in this trade were included for a few reasons, partly to account for Bonino being thrown in, and partly just to put Toronto over the top of any other any other teams wanting Meier.

I think IF Toronto acquires Meier, it will look something like this. Let me know your thoughts though.
Transactions
TOR
  1. Bonino, Nick
  2. Meier, Timo (3 000 000 $ retained)
SJS
  1. Abruzzese, Nick
  2. Kerfoot, Alexander
  3. Knies, Matthew [Liste de réserve]
  4. Choix de 1e ronde en 2023 (TOR)
  5. Choix de 3e ronde en 2023 (OTT)
  6. Choix de 2e ronde en 2024 (TOR)
Repêchage1e ronde2e ronde3e ronde4e ronde5e ronde6e ronde7e ronde
2023
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2024
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2025
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TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS Info-bulleBONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2482 500 000 $78 061 246 $212 500 $0 $4 438 754 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
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Meier, Timo
0 $0 $
AG, AD
UFA - 1
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Matthews, Auston
11 640 250 $11 640 250 $
C
UFA - 2
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Nylander, William
6 962 366 $6 962 366 $
AD
UFA - 2
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Bunting, Michael
950 000 $950 000 $
AG
UFA - 1
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Tavares, John
11 000 000 $11 000 000 $
C, AG
NMC
UFA - 3
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Marner, Mitchell
10 903 000 $10 903 000 $
AD
UFA - 3
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Järnkrok, Calle
2 100 000 $2 100 000 $
AD, C, AG
M-NTC
UFA - 4
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Kämpf, David
1 500 000 $1 500 000 $
C
UFA - 1
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Engvall, Pierre
2 250 000 $2 250 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 1
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Aston-Reese, Zach
840 630 $840 630 $
AG, AD
UFA - 1
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Bonino, Nick
1 025 000 $1 025 000 $
C, AG
M-NTC
UFA - 1
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Holmberg, Pontus
827 500 $827 500 $
C, AG
RFA - 1
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McMann, Bobby
762 500 $762 500 $
AD, AG
UFA - 2
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Simmonds, Wayne
900 000 $900 000 $
AD, AG
M-NTC
UFA - 1
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
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Rielly, Morgan
7 500 000 $7 500 000 $
DG
NMC
UFA - 8
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Brodie, TJ
5 000 000 $5 000 000 $
DG/DD
NTC
UFA - 2
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Murray, Matt
4 687 500 $4 687 500 $
G
M-NTC
UFA - 2
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Sandin, Rasmus
1 400 000 $1 400 000 $
DG
UFA - 2
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Liljegren, Timothy
1 400 000 $1 400 000 $
DD
RFA - 2
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Samsonov, Ilya
1 800 000 $1 800 000 $
G
UFA - 1
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Giordano, Mark
800 000 $800 000 $
DG
UFA - 2
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Holl, Justin
2 000 000 $2 000 000 $
DD
M-NTC
UFA - 1
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Benn, Jordie
750 000 $750 000 $
DG/DD
UFA - 1
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Timmins, Conor
850 000 $850 000 $
DD
RFA - 1
Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
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Muzzin, Jake
5 625 000 $5 625 000 $
DG
NTC
UFA - 2
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Exempté du ballottageRobertson, Nicholas
796 667 $796 667 $
AG, AD
RFA - 2
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Mete, Victor
750 000 $750 000 $
DG/DD
UFA - 1

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28 janv. 2023 à 13 h 41
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Fairish trade and very reasonable logic. Thumbs up on this one

Still think a lot of teams can beat this, but who knows if they will.
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Fairish trade and very reasonable logic. Thumbs up on this one

Still think a lot of teams can beat this, but who knows if they will.


Yah thanks, I wanted to try and make it as fair as I could for SJS.

It’s possible other teams could beat it, I don’t know.
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28 janv. 2023 à 14 h 56
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You said "The rest of the assets in this trade were included for a few reasons, partly to account for Bonino being thrown in, and partly just to put Toronto over the top of any other any other teams wanting Meier."

I don't think the Leafs will try to outbid anyone. If they make a Meier offer it will likely be a lowball or something they think is fair. If they did though I think this would do it, and the only team that would probably bother to outbid them is probably NJ, but they might want to practice patience considering the Leafs probably won't resign him and there are also other guys available.

I wonder though if the Leafs would rather get a defender as a throw in (if SJ has a physical one that is cheap) over Bonino or one from a different team.
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You said "The rest of the assets in this trade were included for a few reasons, partly to account for Bonino being thrown in, and partly just to put Toronto over the top of any other any other teams wanting Meier."

I don't think the Leafs will try to outbid anyone. If they make a Meier offer it will likely be a lowball or something they think is fair. If they did though I think this would do it, and the only team that would probably bother to outbid them is probably NJ, but they might want to practice patience considering the Leafs probably won't resign him and there are also other guys available.

I wonder though if the Leafs would rather get a defender as a throw in (if SJ has a physical one that is cheap) over Bonino or one from a different team.


I see what you're saying, but the leafs are all in and they will probably have a similar deadline approach to the 2021 deadline if I had to guess (ie, just trying to get the players they want and not worrying about the price). Not saying they'll get Meier for sure or anything but I'm guessing they'll be less worried about how much players cost this year (just a guess though).

Quite possible, personally I think a depth forward like Bonino is a better idea. They have more than enough defensive depth.
28 janv. 2023 à 17 h 55
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I see what you're saying, but the leafs are all in and they will probably have a similar deadline approach to the 2021 deadline if I had to guess (ie, just trying to get the players they want and not worrying about the price). Not saying they'll get Meier for sure or anything but I'm guessing they'll be less worried about how much players cost this year (just a guess though).

Quite possible, personally I think a depth forward like Bonino is a better idea. They have more than enough defensive depth.


Maybe, they will go all in, but I can't imagine Dubas saying he won't trade Knies and won't trade the 2023 1st for a rental and then turn around and trade for Meier (although not technically a rental) unless that's all he's giving up for Meier and Bonino in terms of futures. Basically, a case where giving up Knies and/or the 1st would be too good to pass on.
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Knies and a 1st plus is going to be in the running. i could see Grier holding this and then accepting if NJ or Buffalo does not step up
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Maybe, they will go all in, but I can't imagine Dubas saying he won't trade Knies and won't trade the 2023 1st for a rental and then turn around and trade for Meier (although not technically a rental) unless that's all he's giving up for Meier and Bonino in terms of futures. Basically, a case where giving up Knies and/or the 1st would be too good to pass on.


I know what you're saying, but Meier is not rental and is more valuable than any rental on the market. I think Dubas is bluffing if he says he's not trading the 2023 first though, I think he'll trade it.
28 janv. 2023 à 18 h 56
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I know what you're saying, but Meier is not rental and is more valuable than any rental on the market. I think Dubas is bluffing if he says he's not trading the 2023 first though, I think he'll trade it.


Meier isn't a rental but the approach for the Leafs would probably be to treat him as one, guess it really depends on how much would be expected for them to be able to recuperate if they traded him at the draft or after.

I do think Dubas might be bluffing about the 1st and maybe even Knies but that would probably only be to gain some sort of leverage in trade negotiations.

Maybe if they are just giving up Knies+2023 1st + a 2024 3rd+Kerfoot for Meier and Bonino, that would be advantageous enough.
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Meier isn't a rental but the approach for the Leafs would probably be to treat him as one, guess it really depends on how much would be expected for them to be able to recuperate if they traded him at the draft or after.

I do think Dubas might be bluffing about the 1st and maybe even Knies but that would probably only be to gain some sort of leverage in trade negotiations.

Maybe if they are just giving up Knies+2023 1st + a 2024 3rd+Kerfoot for Meier and Bonino, that would be advantageous enough.


That’s true as they can’t really resign him unless they make another trade.

Yah, I can’t see Dubas being conservative at the deadline with his job on the line. Almost for sure he makes a splash.

If they could do that that would be nice
30 janv. 2023 à 13 h 0
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Can you mention how keeping him beyond this season would work?

I like him, don't get me wrong.
I want to Matthews and Nylander beyond there current deals.
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Can you mention how keeping him beyond this season would work?

I like him, don't get me wrong.
I want to Matthews and Nylander beyond there current deals.


Yah that’s definitely the main problem with acquiring him. I imagine trading or LTIRing Muzzin and Murray and not resigning Kerfoot and Engvall should be enough to keep him at like 9 mil. Of course, then you probably can’t keep Nylander which is unfortunate.
 
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