You'd also rather have Josh Bailey than him as well right?

Using 55 points instead of recognizing that he has scored goals at a higher rate than 99% of all forwards over the last THREE seasons is something

I’m not surprised you are so eager to agree with @DB1899. You have done it in the past. Normally right after I criticize a Canucks post where someone assumes that Miller or Horvat is worth an arm and a leg. It’s just not worth responding to you at this point. I’m really more surprised that DB1899 is so eager for ur support. Guess he has to take it where he can get it.

You act like a child lmao

Huberdeau is significantly worse than Gaudreau, and his contract looks like a huge error.



No **** they didn’t play on the same line. The fact that you don’t understand how different lines impact each others production is not my problem. Just shows that you are ignorant. Keep pointing at graphs all you like. Won’t change the fact Hockey is a team sport.

I prefer Magiapane to Bailey, but I don’t want to add an extra year. I’d rather wait to dump him this off season and then target a different forward like Meier via trade or maybe Kuzmenko in FA.

Your ability to ignore basic facts is equally shocking.



You legit ignore any argument that does not support your point.

You have not made a valid argument. Your only "argument" is that Mangiapane got worse because Tkachuk and Gaudreau left despite not even playing with them... Mangiapane is going through a slump where he is getting unlucky with his shots.

You’re twisting my words again bro. Of course ur numbers are going to be negatively impacted when ur team loses its leading scorers. The idea that each line plays entirely independent of the other is utterly ridiculous.

Barzal’s production was negatively impacted over the past few years by the Trotz system, but it didn’t help that Tavares had left and he had been thrust into the role of first line center with no significant replacement brought in to help the lineup. So I’ve seen this before, and I’m not surprised by it.

Or you know, he is just going through a slump. Many many players go through slumps for a little while, and then they bounce back... Saying Mangiapane has a worse contract than 33 year old bottom six Bailey completely discredits your entire argument

Maybe saying it’s worse was an exaggeration, but I wouldn’t want to take that chance rn.

I would be fine with moving Bailey, but I’m more interested in opening up time for younger talent in Bridgeport like Dufour and Ishakov. Imo you need to see what you have before making a move like this.

It’s a fact that Mangiapane has scored goals at a higher rate than 99% of the league lol but go off

Barzals production had nothing to do with Tavares leaving. His production this season all but confirms that. He’s right back to that rookie year pace

It is not really much of a risk lmao. You get the younger and better player...

Wahlstrom and Dobson’s development helped that a lot. Same with Nelson tbh.

How'd you get the signing on the ELC to 925,000 cap hit? Cause I try to do it on my own Armchair GM and put in the same ammount and it says that it doesn't meet that cap minimum.

No way you just said shooting% is the easiest thing to predict.

Mangiapane didn't even play on the same line as Gaudreau and Tkachuk though. That top line was Gaudreau, Lindholm, and Tkachuk. Mangiapane played with like Blake Coleman and Micheal backlund

I’m aware of that dude. The fact y’all don’t understand how different lines interact with each other and impact production is astonishing to me. Hockey isn’t played in a vacuum bro. It’s not that complicated. His numbers are down because his team lost two top scorers and Huberdeau and Kadri just couldn’t replace either guy. There’s no shame in that. But how can anyone be able to not acknowledge that fact?

Dude. When you don’t have to game plan for Tkachuck and Gaudreau, you have more time to focus on guys like Mangiapane. Even if u add Kadri and Huberdeau to the mix that isn’t gonna cut it. Huberdeau was playing second line last year too, and as soon as he’s asked to be the primary option in Calgary his numbers crumble. That isn’t a coincidence. Holy ****.

He means in the sense that it's easy to predict players regressing to the mean of their average shooting percentage. That goes for guys that are both way over and way under their career shooting percentage. Right now mangiapane is way under his career shooting percentage, so it's easy to predict that he should regress back to his mean over the last 50 or so games of the season.

Hockey is NOT played in a vacuum bro. His shooting percentage has regressed, and I’m sure he could partially bounce back, but his career high in points is 55 for a reason. And losing Tkachuck and Gaudreau is probably going to hurt ur PP numbers too. He had 8 goals and 3 assists last year compared to 1 assist this year.

Dude he just ignores common sense. He has no idea how to analyze the data he keeps peddling. Mangiapane is good at all the little things, and I prefer him to Bailey. But I also prefer Blake Coleman to bailey and I wouldn’t want Coleman’s contract.

That's not how hockey works. His TOI is roughly the same as lest year and he still plays in Calgary's middle-six. If Mangiapane was forced into a top line role this year due to the departure of Gaudreau and Tkachuk I could see your point, but he hasn't been. His production and underlying analytics say that he's been playing just about as well as he always has, but his shooting percentage rn is 9% as opposed to a career 16%. That's a 7% difference! He'd have four more goals this year if he was shooting as he should. Mangiapane is a 26 year old winger who plays incredible defense, scores goals, and is signed to a bargain contract for what he does. Trading Bailey, who should be scratched, and a 2nd rounder for him is a no-brainer

Look at Calgary’s zone starts from last year with Tkachuck and Gaudreau. Yeah IK most changes r on the fly, but pretty much every player on that roster had positive offensive zone starts because they played on a team with Tkachuck and Gaudreau. You don’t seem to realize that my point is based on the fact that each line impacts the other. It’s the same with d pairs. It’s the same ****ing reason Chara and Greene sunk the isles last year, while they can win games with Aho and Parker ****ing Wotherspoon.

It’s not that complicated. It’s hockey.