I hope you can understand why when I lay out my argument in a thorough way and the best you can do is a 'your wrong' without explanation, its not very convincing. The only logical conclusion would be that I'm right.

Why are you trying SO hard to sound smart LMFAO. You showing us your expanded vocabulary while constantly stating that a simple debate is “ advanced delusions” is just so weird.

You tried to state that my intial ballpark estimate for a trade was extremely far off. Using retention as an argument when the retention wouldn’t exceed 3 months on St Louis books.

Did you not see the return for Giroux? It was legit a first in 2024/ a third and Owen tippet. Rental players of value will receive a fair compensation but aren’t worth as much as star players on extended deals.

If you think a 1st, 5th round draft pick alongside a higher end prospect(s) isn’t even close, you’re crosseyed.

Go pound a snickers dude.

It’s also that the blues still have cup ambitions though they may be slightly dashed this season

Is O'Reilly a part of those ambitions though? His playing time has dropped a full 2 minutes in the past 2 season and he is having an absolutely awful year. He's losing his minutes heavily, there's no chance he's going to be a 'selke' type of center this season. Age seems to have hit him hard and aging curves would suggest the only way is down going forward.

He’s been playing very well the past month and a half tho

He's still racking up the goals against and negative defensive contributions in the fancier stats.

Yea but those aren’t very good ones
Advanced stats are way too skewed to be taken seriously

That's why I used the simpler goals against as well. Since the start of November(about a month and a half), O'Reilly has been on the ice for 3.94 goals against per 60 minutes (at even strength, I don't want to go comparing him against players who don't play special teams). The only forward on the Blues giving up more in that time span was Jake Neighbours who only played 5 games. Then there's a wide gap before the next Blues player, Jordan Kyrou at 3.25. .7 more goals per 60 minutes than the next Blues player. That's a lot of goals. Kyrou is also scoring more than O'Reilly to make up for it. The Blues are losing games, they are doing that when O'Reilly is playing.

You definitely have to pay more than this for ROR likely at least Robertson, a 1st, and a 3rd, most likely Kerfoot and maybe another B prospect to open up another contract slot. Maybe Niemela instead but not Knies or Minten

I think that's a hot take. His offensive numbers are low but he's got a terrible PDO and he way below his expected goals, he isn't what he was 3 years ago sure but he's still a very good player. He isn't being brought in to be what he was 3 years ago but what he is now and has 2 better centres ahead of him that free him up to not have to carry his team. Not that St Louis is bad but he was their best player for a while and I am not sure he can fill that role anymore, in TO he can enjoy a somewhat reduced role with likely favorable matchups on the road when teams try to isolate Matthews or JT. I think he'd do very well in that role. ROR is my absolute dream addition.

Remember when TO had Lehner for 5 minutes that time to retain some cap for a 5th? It's not that lucrative for expiring contracts. They only have 3 so that's the one rub I guess.

3rd teams have no reason to get involved without being paid. The trading team has reason to get the best return available of the ones available at the deadline. It's not a comparable situation at all. If you read back through my posts in this thread, you'll see I made the distinction there.

It's as simple as this. If a team offered a 4th round pick for O'Reilly with half retention and another team offered a 5th without....the Blues would take the 4th every time even though the retention isn't part of the price. You can narrow it down if you like. The 45th overall pick with retention or the 46th, the blues would still take the 45th. Can only imagine the headline the next day, 'Army turns down the better offer to save 700k cash on O'Reilly deal'. Would be a death sentence for a GM among the fanbase.

You managed to go this whole thread without saying one coherent argument. It's really amazing.

More delusions. How adorable.

-The ROR offer gets beat pretty easily, I would think. The only real value here is the 1st being in this year's draft - a 5th is a minimal value pick, there have been a ton of questions about SDA's game translating to the NHL level (shooting 16.7% against AHL goalies doesn't usually translate the same when you get up to the NHL), and if St. Louis is in tear-down mode this year, a pending UFA like Alex Kerfoot has negligible value to them. I think you gotta up the pick to at least a 3rd and bump up the prospect to someone on the Niemela/Minten/Hirvonen level.

-The Isles are not currently in a position to be selling; and even if they do get to that point, this offer's not close. Abruzzese is 23 and perilously close to the age where we go from calling a guy a "prospect" to a "depth player", and his AHL numbers aren't really doing much to dissuade that thought. The basement on the package I would expect to get if the Islanders were selling Mayfield would be the Josh Manson trade - Colorado gave up a 2023 2nd and Drew Helleson, who was projected as a middle pair D. So I'd expect a Toronto return of Niemela & a 2nd, or bump it up to a 1st rounder if you want to send a lesser prospect. Mayfield plays 20 good minutes a night, has performed well in the playoffs, and has a $1.45M cap hit before retention - I don't see any reason why he wouldn't get back a strong return with the way that teams have been paying up for defensemen the past few deadlines.

Case in point.

Except it's not at all. In any way. It make me wonder if you even understand what that phrase means. I've made several relevant points in this thread, some multiple times because it doesn't sink in. Meanwhile, the ones arguing with me are on about Horvat and fictional asks I've never made and all sorts of other nonsense that doesn;t have anything to do with the trade in this AGM. Every non-Leafs fan who has wandered into this horror house (including some that are not Blues fans) has said pretty much the exact same things I've said, but noooo you cannot tell some Leafs fans anything based in reality, because they'll throw a tantrum, insist everyone else has to pay for their dumps/retention and insult you.

Now... do you have ANY commentary on the actual trade posed in this AGM or not? I mean, it's hilarious how you come in here claiming I've made no relevant points when you have yet to even attempt one. All you've offered so far are delusional personal attacks.

It's because you are hard projecting at the moment. Go through this thread, tell me what arguments you made. Spoiler alert: you can't. I haven't come here to make a point on the AGM. I've come here to point out your irony.

A simple "no" would have sufficed.

Guess what I'm going to say to this post (Hint: I said it 2 comments ago)

Yet another delusional personal attack that has nothing at all to do with the AGM?

No point arguing with someone who can't see fauly in themself. Cya

Pure projection, bub. From my very first comment on this AGM:

"The 1st is a proper start, the rest is piffle, especially if you expect max retention."

Literally the first comment in the thread. Game over. Drive home safely.

And STILL you've yet to say a single word about the AGM. Nothing but delusional personal attacks that describe your own behavior here. So by all means, carry on lecturing about others lacking self awareness. It's hilarious.