Probably fair value, but I am hesitant to give up Frederic with the way he has been playing for a more expensive Mantha who is inconsistent. Would also make it that much harder to re-sign Pasta next year with Mantha's contract on the books.

IMO I would just add Hathaway.

Mantha has barely outproduced Frederic.

Don’t like this at all for 1.5 years of Mantha and a rental.

Much rather have 1st/Frederic/Beecher

Agree I’m just exploring the option of if you sell high of Frederic, which for the most part probably isn’t a good idea unless you get a really big name.

Neither team is gonna make this deal. The caps easily say no.

Why?

Hathaway as depth? Sure. The rest - hard pass.

I’ve come to the conclusion that Frederic has solidified his spot as RW3 and the only way to upgrade that spot is if you traded him because he’s playing the best hockey of his career.

Because it makes our team significantly worse and we aren't selling or rebuilding. The caps are working their way back up into playoff contention and our owner has openly said we will not rebuild while Ovi is around.

This five game win streak we're on has shown a significant improvement from the top down and the caps have a decent shot at making their way into a wildcard spot. Will they get out of the first round? No. But our owner values being competitive right now over the future.

Regardless, I don't think there's a Mantha trade right now that makes both sides feel like it's fair. What the caps will feel is fair value will look like an overpayment to any other team trying to acquire him. It just won't work.

The caps should be rebuilding and selling. They’re bad. Very bad.

Clearly you haven't been watching then if that's your take. Again, all I've said is that the caps easily say no to this trade and they aren't rebuilding. That's what you do when you have the greatest goal scorer of all time. Sorry you disagree.

Washington is gonna need a serious retool looking at the UFAs they have for next year

Why are you apologizing for disagreeing? I don’t care if anyone disagrees with me. Opinions are good.

Reality is better though. Oh have the caps strung together a couple wins? Cute. The roster construction is a disaster, and there’s no room for improvement. They might Play around with contending for a wildcard spot, but it’s just going to get worse. They should sell everything that isn’t strapped down.

Caps pass. That doesn't do anything for them. 2 bottom 6 players, late 1, B prospect. A lot of meh.

That isn't reality. I'm telling you that you're wrong and I'm sorry you don't see that.

Or is it possible you’re a caps fan and you don’t want to admit that the party is over?

Would sort of make sense than an outside look might be more objective

How? Only two big UFAs (Orlov and Jensen), with Eller's cap coming off the books, McMichael and Lapierre ready to come up, and Strome+Fehervary under team control as RFAs. Caps will be perfectly fine.

Did I not say that they won't even make it out of the first round? Is it possible that maybe you have absolutely no clue what you're talking about? Considering I watch 70+ caps games a year and have only missed 2 so far this season, I'd imagine I'm pretty in tune with what's going on, more so than some random Bruins fan. But keep trolling.

I know you have a massive hate boner for Washington, but let me lay it out to you real quickly:

Washington is above .500 while playing without 2 of their best defensemen, without their elite center, and without their 1st line RW (and recently without their .916 sv% goalie), they're 4 points (2 damn wins) outside of 2nd in the division, they have a top 4 defense of 3 great defensive defensemen (shown both by eye test and advanced stats such as Jfresh, athletic, etc) and a 70 point defemseman as well, depth out the wazoo with players like Mantha producing near a 50 point pace while getting 3rd line time with an offensively inept center as well as Sheary on pace for a nearly 50 point season despite being a 3rd to 4th liner in the lineup when everyone is healthy, two great centers down the middle, and oops, I almost failed to mention, the greatest goal scorer of all time.

This is a team within striking distance of the division while only at half strength. At full strength, its easily a playoff contender.

Ugh. Why does it always turn into, “you don’t think my team is good….troll!”

What I’m suggesting is that you might have some bias, because you love your team. Nothing wrong with that. Get out of the first round? The caps will have to get incredibly fortunate to make the post season. And it’s likely downhill from there. Why aren’t they selling?

You should probably do a ACGM for Washington next year and realize that the cap situation isn’t good and your gonna lose a lot of players that are gonna effect the teams play, doesn’t seem like guys take discounts in Washington

Which begs the question why move him? Even playing as well as he is he still comes in pretty cheap next contract and they are going to need all the cheap bodies they can get next year. Plus he can play center if needed. Trading him makes zero sense short or long term for such a small upgrade.

If anything I would rather they go out and get a better player without trading him and just bump Frederic to the 4th

I’ve done more than one. It’s a lot less of an issue than you’d think. It changes slightly if Backstrom is truly back, but his return would more than make up for a possible loss of, say Mantha, in the off-season. Remove Mantha from this, and you’ve got a cap-compliant team.

The first problem with that ACGM is that Backstrom is most likely coming back.

The second problem is I see 5 guys who are either rookies and have not spent significant time in the nhl. That is literally the definition of a retool if you’re having a turn over of 5 roster spots. And that’s assuming those guys can even play at the nhl level next year.

Again, remove Mantha, and the team is cap compliant. McMichael has played or at least been on the roster for a full season, Protas has been up with the Caps since the start of the year, so you're really looking at 3 guys without much nhl experience. We can argue the semantics of whether it is a retool or not (as I would consider retool when multiple trades and free agency moves are made to shake up the roster, since every team experiences roster turn over every offseason), but the point was to show that Washington really doesn't need to make more than about one move this offseason, since they have prospects and young players in hand already to replace any outgoing holes and that Washington can bring back nearly every main contributor with little issue.