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Whats newhooks value

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Équipe: 2022-23 Avalanche du Colorado
Date de création initiale: 17 nov. 2022
Publié: 17 nov. 2022
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
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He seems to be struggling out the gate and had a meeting with the coach one on one with the expectation they have and that how he isn't meeting them to get looks at top 6. Does he get frustrated with this situation where he could use a change of scenery to help give him a different opportunity elsewhere with a different system? Just feels like he's stalling and putting the trust into him into the future may be okay but with how young he is he can learn to bounce and be effective or trade him while he is valued where a team can still mold him in their system. I understand both sides and just curious if he's stays long term, traded this season or near future and what his value is as he has the projection of a good 2c but something just isn't working.
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Returns that fit? Would he be the main piece in bringing in a solid 2c like Horvat?
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18 nov. 2022 à 8 h 24
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Quoting: Knuckl3s
Newhook's ceiling is in serious question right now with the lack of scoring he's put up IN A CONTRACT YEAR, plus he isn't a defensive ace either. It's not looking like he'll ever reach Horvat's ceiling. There were most certainly in a bidding war with Kuemper, and probably Manson to a degree. Lehkonen obviously doesn't count cause he was a pending RFA


Your CONTRACT YEAR remark is a backfire, this only makes him cheaper for the avs the bridge. There are enough ufa 2c's out there to avoid giving up a cost controlled 2nd year center who may not be lighting it up, is doing all the small things(lol) right
Edit:He is a lot better defensively than Miller or Pettey who are much more seasoned than him.
18 nov. 2022 à 8 h 24
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Newhook's ceiling is in serious question right now with the lack of scoring he's put up IN A CONTRACT YEAR. It's not looking like he'll ever reach Horvat's ceiling. There were most certainly in a bidding war with Kuemper, and probably Manson to a degree. Lehkonen obviously doesn't count cause he was a pending RFA


He’s in his second nhl season and hasn’t even played a 100 nhl games, dear lord you think teams just write players off before they even finish their elc?

No wonder the Canucks are in trouble if that’s the player evaluation and management you are used to

Please do yourself a favor and don’t make assumptions what a player is doing or looking like bc you can pull up their point totals. You can’t make any of those claims if you aren’t familiar with the context of the avs games and how he plays.

And no they did not get into a bidding war for Manson. He was traded a week before the deadline and he only would waive for Colorado,, once again don’t make claims that you don’t know
18 nov. 2022 à 8 h 25
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He’s in his second nhl season and hasn’t even played a 100 nhl games, dear lord you think teams just write players off before they even finish their elc?

No wonder the Canucks are in trouble if that’s the player evaluation and management you are used to

Please do yourself a favor and don’t make assumptions what a player is doing or looking like bc you can pull up their point totals. You can’t make any of those claims if you aren’t familiar with the context of the avs games and how he plays.


*3rd NHL season, he's not expiring at 10.2 status, he'll be offersheet eligible this coming off-season, so he must have played ENOUGH games to warrant seeing some actual progress by now
18 nov. 2022 à 8 h 27
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*3rd NHL season, he's not expiring at 10.2 status, he'll be offersheet eligible this coming off-season, so he must have played ENOUGH games to warrant seeing some actual progress by now


Last year was his first full season, you are trying to count 6 games after he signed after his ncaa season was over as a nhl season, dude, come on now be better
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18 nov. 2022 à 8 h 30
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Last year was his first full season, you are trying to count 6 games after he signed after his ncaa season was over as a nhl season, dude, come on now be better


No, the method in which a player's free agent status advances is very astutely designed to line up with how a player accumulates pro experience as well as matures and develops in the games and reps they DO get. It's no coincidence that Newhook will be offersheet eligible this coming off-season
18 nov. 2022 à 8 h 33
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No, the method in which a player's free agent status advances is very astutely designed to line up with how a player accumulates pro experience as well as matures and develops in the games and reps they DO get. It's no coincidence that Newhook will be offersheet eligible this coming off-season


You are trying to acquate 6 games to burn 1 year of his elc as a nhl season

Sure if it makes you feel better about the bad trade, 6 games counts as an season of nhl experience, he got a full season of experience as a rookie in 6 games

Good grief.
18 nov. 2022 à 8 h 33
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You are trying to acquate 6 games to burn 1 year of his elc as a nhl season

Sure if it makes you feel better about the bad trade, 6 games counts as an season of nhl experience, he got a full season of experience as a rookie in 6 games

Good grief.


Don't forget 8 playoff games
18 nov. 2022 à 8 h 37
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And he's not worth 3 million? Would you consider the 4 x 3.5M contract he signed several years ago a mistake by Sakic?


It might be a little bit of an overpay but not a mistake. At the time, the Avs had a clear cap sheet. Sakic couldn’t have predicted the flat cap and the now Avs have a bunch of great players that make a lot. When you spend a lot on talent, you have to cut costs elsewhere. Compher is probably a great fit for another team at $3.5M, but the Avs have to be mindful about how they fill out their roster.
18 nov. 2022 à 8 h 39
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It might be a little bit of an overpay but not a mistake. At the time, the Avs had a clear cap sheet. Sakic couldn’t have predicted the flat cap and the now Avs have a bunch of great players that make a lot. When you spend a lot on talent, you have to cut costs elsewhere. Compher is probably a great fit for another team at $3.5M, but the Avs have to be mindful about how they fill out their roster.


Guess it depends how they value him compared to a guy like ERod
18 nov. 2022 à 8 h 39
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Don't forget 8 playoff games


You 100% miss the point ever time, this is an actual skill you have
18 nov. 2022 à 8 h 39
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You 100% miss the point ever time, this is an actual skill you have


I'm not sure how I missed any "point" here
18 nov. 2022 à 8 h 40
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Your CONTRACT YEAR remark is a backfire, this only makes him cheaper for the avs the bridge. There are enough ufa 2c's out there to avoid giving up a cost controlled 2nd year center who may not be lighting it up, is doing all the small things(lol) right
Edit:He is a lot better defensively than Miller or Pettey who are much more seasoned than him.


If This guy was running the avs. He would have moved mackinnon after his 2nd year bc he put up 24 points.
18 nov. 2022 à 8 h 41
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I'm not sure how I missed any "point" here


That skill of yours not understand the whole point of this thread, you are a wizard
18 nov. 2022 à 14 h 13
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Recklessly is being ignored here. Kuemper was an overpay for a rental but they were close to the season and in a bidding war. Manson was a total gamble n many believed he was going to go back to the Ducks. He was exactly what the Avs needed, but unlike Kuemper he wasn't traded for a roster player. That is a huge difference when a team is chasing cups.

Their plan isn't just to win a the cup this year, it's to win cups this year, and next year, and the next year, and the next year, group meeting to be held about following year. To say they wouldn't consider it, isn't true but it wouldn't take long to reject. Maybe if Horvat had a 7m extention with 2m retained by Canucks, the Avs would do it. His shooting % is a lil sus too.


Who's to say that there wouldn't be a bidding war for Horvat?

Kuemper was worth it because it addresses an essential position of need. What if they feel the same way about 2C now?

Horvat is a perfect fit style wise. He plays the same spot on the powerplay that Kadri did.
18 nov. 2022 à 15 h 26
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Who's to say that there wouldn't be a bidding war for Horvat?

Kuemper was worth it because it addresses an essential position of need. What if they feel the same way about 2C now?

Horvat is a perfect fit style wise. He plays the same spot on the powerplay that Kadri did.


Avs are getting by without a 2c, they were forced into a corner with Franky being hurt and Grub walking in F.A going into a must win season. That monkey is off their backs and they can play the slow game until the tdl. It should be mentioned that Newhook was supposed to play with Landy and Lehk/Nuch but injuries got in the way. Its way too early to sell on Newhook when he hasn't even gotten a quality 2nd line stretch. Especially on a rental with 1% chance of being resigned. If Newhook isnt living up to expectations, cool, they bridge him at an even lower aav.

I believe there should be one for Horvat bc of his age, but the avs won't be in it for that long. Newhook has shown enough to let him grow as a 2/3c and it will be cheaper to acquire another 2c that isn't a hometown captain. It'sJTM acgm all over again, Avs won't pay what the Nucks want.
18 nov. 2022 à 15 h 36
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this literally makes 0 sense, Find his potential. Hes in his 2nd nhl season and hasn't even played 100 career games yet.
That is like saying they should have traded MacKinnon in his second season bc he wasn't a ppg player yet


Like my comment said, we don't have to burn newhook for anyone but we need someone who can play 2C in playoffs till he can go. So instead of just complaing about everyones posts what is your solution to the hole at 2C?
18 nov. 2022 à 15 h 46
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Like my comment said, we don't have to burn newhook for anyone but we need someone who can play 2C in playoffs till he can go. So instead of just complaing about everyones posts what is your solution to the hole at 2C?


I have said multiple times I would rather go after a guy like Adam Henrique over all these blockbuster rental deals for Horvat Toews etc.
I have also said multiple times im going to reserve my judgement on newhook at 2C until we get to ese the the Avs true top 6, there has been 0 games that the top 6 has been together so far. His most common linemates have been Kaut, Cogliano, and E-Rod. People need to stop being impatient and make snap judgements on a situation that there is still unknowns about bc of injuries. Everyone outside of the top line has been asked to play up the depth chart against tougher comps that they arent accustomed to.

Let it all play out first before making claims like you did about not reaching his potential yet etc.
18 nov. 2022 à 17 h 39
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That skill of yours not understand the whole point of this thread, you are a wizard


Or you're just a troll
 
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