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Équipe: 2022-23 Maple Leafs de Toronto
Date de création initiale: 15 nov. 2022
Publié: 15 nov. 2022
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
Transactions
1.
VAN
  1. Holl, Justin
  2. Choix de 3e ronde en 2023 (OTT)
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STL
  1. Engvall, Pierre
  2. Niemelä, Topi
  3. Choix de 1e ronde en 2024 (TOR)
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WSH
  1. Choix de 4e ronde en 2024 (TOR)
  2. Choix de 4e ronde en 2025 (TOR)
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2024
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2025
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TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS Info-bulleBONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2282 500 000 $82 392 913 $212 500 $0 $107 087 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
Logo de Maple Leafs de Toronto
950 000 $950 000 $
AG
UFA - 1
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11 640 250 $11 640 250 $
C
UFA - 2
Logo de Maple Leafs de Toronto
10 903 000 $10 903 000 $
AD
UFA - 3
Logo de Maple Leafs de Toronto
6 962 366 $6 962 366 $
AD
UFA - 2
Logo de Maple Leafs de Toronto
11 000 000 $11 000 000 $
C, AG
NMC
UFA - 3
Logo de Blues de St-Louis
5 800 000 $5 800 000 $
AG, AD, C
M-NTC
UFA - 3
Logo de Maple Leafs de Toronto
796 667 $796 667 $
AG, AD
RFA - 2
Logo de Maple Leafs de Toronto
3 500 000 $3 500 000 $
AG, C, AD
M-NTC
UFA - 1
Logo de Capitals de Washington
1 100 000 $1 100 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 1
Logo de Maple Leafs de Toronto
840 630 $840 630 $
AG, AD
UFA - 1
Logo de Maple Leafs de Toronto
2 100 000 $2 100 000 $
AD, C, AG
M-NTC
UFA - 4
Logo de Maple Leafs de Toronto
1 500 000 $1 500 000 $
C
UFA - 1
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
Logo de Maple Leafs de Toronto
7 500 000 $7 500 000 $
DG
NMC
UFA - 8
Logo de Maple Leafs de Toronto
5 000 000 $5 000 000 $
DG/DD
NTC
UFA - 2
Logo de Maple Leafs de Toronto
4 687 500 $4 687 500 $
G
M-NTC
UFA - 2
Logo de Maple Leafs de Toronto
1 400 000 $1 400 000 $
DG
UFA - 2
Logo de Maple Leafs de Toronto
1 400 000 $1 400 000 $
DD
RFA - 2
Logo de Maple Leafs de Toronto
1 800 000 $1 800 000 $
G
UFA - 1
Logo de Maple Leafs de Toronto
800 000 $800 000 $
DG
UFA - 2
Logo de Canucks de Vancouver
850 000 $850 000 $
DD
UFA - 1
Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
Logo de Maple Leafs de Toronto
750 000 $750 000 $
DG/DD
UFA - 1
Logo de Maple Leafs de Toronto
5 625 000 $5 625 000 $
DG
NTC
UFA - 2
Logo de Maple Leafs de Toronto
900 000 $900 000 $
AD, AG
M-NTC
UFA - 1

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15 nov. 2022 à 3 h 21
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Not a chance, but I'll assume you know that.
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15 nov. 2022 à 3 h 35
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Canucks reject, awful trade
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15 nov. 2022 à 6 h 51
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Not a chance, but I'll assume you know that.


Your response to anything eh?
15 nov. 2022 à 7 h 27
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Not close for Buch at all, your missing another first and another good prospect
Blues might not even trade him then
Also Id’ be kerfoot not engvall
15 nov. 2022 à 8 h 18
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buch is not gonna be traded. the term and aav is really good and yall dont have the assets to get him
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15 nov. 2022 à 9 h 2
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Canucks reject, awful trade


youre not getting more than a 3rd for schenn lmao
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15 nov. 2022 à 9 h 6
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youre not getting more than a 3rd for schenn lmao


And who are you?
15 nov. 2022 à 9 h 7
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And who are you?


i will come back to this at the TDL dw
15 nov. 2022 à 9 h 39
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Quoting: Logan_Ollivier
Your response to anything eh?


In his defense, this one is a really terrible trade for the Blues.
15 nov. 2022 à 10 h 26
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Your response to anything eh?


Anything overtly ludicrous, yes. Why, do you actually imagine the Blues will trade Buch? Let alone for a weak offer? This is a no-brainer, dude.
15 nov. 2022 à 10 h 55
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youre not getting more than a 3rd for schenn lmao


Shouldn't get a 4th
15 nov. 2022 à 10 h 57
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Quoting: mokumboi
Anything overtly ludicrous, yes. Why, do you actually imagine the Blues will trade Buch? Let alone for a weak offer? This is a no-brainer, dude.


I'm not saying this is a fair deal, but your response to everything is that it's not enough. You want a top top prospect and 2 firsts for ROR no matter how bad he's playing
15 nov. 2022 à 11 h 0
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I'm not saying this is a fair deal...

You want a top top prospect and 2 firsts for ROR no matter how bad he's playing


1- Then what exactly is the point of your comment? I call **** trades ****. And that is a hopping business around here, to say the least.

2 - Where do you imagine I said anything even remotely resembling this?
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15 nov. 2022 à 11 h 9
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i will come back to this at the TDL dw


Sound mate
15 nov. 2022 à 11 h 12
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Anything overtly ludicrous, yes. Why, do you actually imagine the Blues will trade Buch? Let alone for a weak offer? This is a no-brainer, dude.


A first round pick and top 10-15 d prospect (not to mention RHD) is a weak offer lmao. Maybe it's not exactly enough but calling it a weak offer is a joke, you should make your own ACGMs instead of just ripping other peoples, this isn't far off
15 nov. 2022 à 11 h 13
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buch is not gonna be traded. the term and aav is really good and yall dont have the assets to get him


How do we not have the assets? I could add two more firsts, Robertson and Knies if I wanted to. Stupid comment
15 nov. 2022 à 11 h 22
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A first round pick and top 10-15 d prospect (not to mention RHD) is a weak offer lmao. Maybe it's not exactly enough but calling it a weak offer is a joke, you should make your own ACGMs instead of just ripping other peoples, this isn't far off


A late 1st and a microscopic Dman who is in no way a top 10-15 D prospect (bruh... c'mon) plus a cap dump for Buch is a weak ass offer, yes. Duh. Is this some sort of shock to you?
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15 nov. 2022 à 11 h 25
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A first round pick and top 10-15 d prospect (not to mention RHD) is a weak offer lmao. Maybe it's not exactly enough but calling it a weak offer is a joke, you should make your own ACGMs instead of just ripping other peoples, this isn't far off


Buch is a point per game guy with 3 years of term at a more than reasonable 5.8 Mil cap hit, he's going to get more than that should St. Louis look to trade him. It's a weak offer for what St. Louis would actually consider/accept.
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15 nov. 2022 à 12 h 31
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1- Then what exactly is the point of your comment? I call **** trades ****. And that is a hopping business around here, to say the least.

2 - Where do you imagine I said anything even remotely resembling this?


I haven't seen you do anything but say no to every offer. Even other St Louis fans say you're asking too much.
15 nov. 2022 à 12 h 58
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I haven't seen you do anything but say no to every offer. Even other St Louis fans say you're asking too much.


1 - You're either having selective memory or you're just not seeing everything. Just yesterday, I said an offer (I think it was for Barbashev) was in the neighborhood. Either way, look at the selection of trade offerings I'm dealing with. The overwhelming majority of trades on here are either made with no regard to the other team's cap, made with no regard to the other team's needs, made with no regards to the other team's competitive status or just downright delusional in value.

2 - Now you're just lying through your teeth. Not only have I never once posted an ask for Buch (or Tarasenko or ROR or Parayko or or or... ), but no Blues fans have said any such thing to me.
15 nov. 2022 à 14 h 8
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1 - You're either having selective memory or you're just not seeing everything. Just yesterday, I said an offer (I think it was for Barbashev) was in the neighborhood. Either way, look at the selection of trade offerings I'm dealing with. The overwhelming majority of trades on here are either made with no regard to the other team's cap, made with no regard to the other team's needs, made with no regards to the other team's competitive status or just downright delusional in value.

2 - Now you're just lying through your teeth. Not only have I never once posted an ask for Buch (or Tarasenko or ROR or Parayko or or or... ), but no Blues fans have said any such thing to me.


Typical response, guy wants astronomical returns and when everyone says that guys is out of his mind, everyone else is lying. Fake news right?
15 nov. 2022 à 14 h 14
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Typical response, guy wants astronomical returns and when everyone says that guys is out of his mind, everyone else is lying. Fake news right?


What are you babbling about now? For the THIRD time now, feel free to show everyone ONE astronomical return I asked for. Or ONE time "Blues fans" or "everyone" said I was out of my mind for a trade ask.

ONE.

I dare you.
15 nov. 2022 à 14 h 17
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-Holl is probably equal to Schenn in terms of talent/production. Why are you giving up a 3rd at the deadline to save a few bucks here? At the deadline, the difference in AAV between Holl & Schenn would only save you about $400K against the cap; there are cheaper ways to get that cap hit covered than a 3rd round pick.

-St. Louis easily rejects. Buchnevich has basically been a PPG player the past two seasons and is extremely affordable at $5.8M through 2024-25. I'm guessing the ask would *start* with a 2023 1st and Matt Knies, and Toronto would still add from there.

-Kinda feel like the Caps would jump on this, and probably offer you retention to boot. The injury history is enough to make me want to pass on this deal if I'm the Leafs, though.
15 nov. 2022 à 15 h 11
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A late 1st and a microscopic Dman who is in no way a top 10-15 D prospect (bruh... c'mon) plus a cap dump for Buch is a weak ass offer, yes. Duh. Is this some sort of shock to you?


Niemela is the 10th ranked D prospect by DailyFaceoff, 26th skater prospect by TheHockeyWriters, 7th ranked D prospect on TSN (I'm aware he's not this good), etc.

Engvall isn't a cap dump, since when is 15 goals for 2M a cap dump lol

Enjoy missing the playoffs
15 nov. 2022 à 15 h 13
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-Holl is probably equal to Schenn in terms of talent/production. Why are you giving up a 3rd at the deadline to save a few bucks here? At the deadline, the difference in AAV between Holl & Schenn would only save you about $400K against the cap; there are cheaper ways to get that cap hit covered than a 3rd round pick.

-St. Louis easily rejects. Buchnevich has basically been a PPG player the past two seasons and is extremely affordable at $5.8M through 2024-25. I'm guessing the ask would *start* with a 2023 1st and Matt Knies, and Toronto would still add from there.

-Kinda feel like the Caps would jump on this, and probably offer you retention to boot. The injury history is enough to make me want to pass on this deal if I'm the Leafs, though.


Schenn is more physical than Holl and Dubas has mentioned a few times he wants a more physical guy on the backend, cap saving might be crucial

Buch has only had one ppg season and his on ice shooting % was nearly 15%, we're seeing the regression already, he's a top 6 winger, not some elite star
 
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