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Go big or go home

Créé par: Oiler3535
Équipe: 2022-23 Maple Leafs de Toronto
Date de création initiale: 11 nov. 2022
Publié: 11 nov. 2022
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
Transactions
TOR
  1. O'Reilly, Ryan (3 750 000 $ retained)
  2. Tarasenko, Vladimir (3 750 000 $ retained)
STL
  1. Engvall, Pierre
  2. Holl, Justin
  3. Knies, Matthew [Liste de réserve]
  4. Niemelä, Topi
  5. Choix de 1e ronde en 2023 (TOR)
  6. Choix de 3e ronde en 2023 (OTT)
  7. Choix de 1e ronde en 2024 (TOR)
Détails additionnels:
The 3rd is for another team to pick up half of cap hits.
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2023
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2024
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2025
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TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS Info-bulleBONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2182 500 000 $73 380 413 $212 500 $0 $9 119 587 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
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6 962 366 $6 962 366 $
AD
UFA - 2
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11 640 250 $11 640 250 $
C
UFA - 2
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10 903 000 $10 903 000 $
AD
UFA - 3
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796 667 $796 667 $
AG, AD
RFA - 2
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11 000 000 $11 000 000 $
C, AG
NMC
UFA - 3
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0 $0 $
AD
NTC
UFA - 1
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1 500 000 $1 500 000 $
C
UFA - 1
Logo de Blues de St-Louis
-1 875 000 $-1 875 000 $
C
UFA - 1
Logo de Maple Leafs de Toronto
3 500 000 $3 500 000 $
AG, C, AD
M-NTC
UFA - 1
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950 000 $950 000 $
AG
UFA - 1
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2 100 000 $2 100 000 $
AD, C, AG
M-NTC
UFA - 4
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840 630 $840 630 $
AG, AD
UFA - 1
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750 000 $750 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 1
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
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7 500 000 $7 500 000 $
DG
NMC
UFA - 8
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1 400 000 $1 400 000 $
DD
RFA - 2
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1 800 000 $1 800 000 $
G
UFA - 1
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5 000 000 $5 000 000 $
DG/DD
NTC
UFA - 2
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4 687 500 $4 687 500 $
G
M-NTC
UFA - 2
Logo de Maple Leafs de Toronto
1 400 000 $1 400 000 $
DG
UFA - 2
Logo de Maple Leafs de Toronto
750 000 $750 000 $
DG/DD
UFA - 1
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800 000 $800 000 $
DG
UFA - 2
Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
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762 500 $762 500 $
AG
UFA - 2
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5 625 000 $5 625 000 $
DG
NTC
UFA - 2

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11 nov. 2022 à 8 h 9
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That's a great way to assure you won't compete another year
11 nov. 2022 à 8 h 18
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That's a lot of cap still for STL to take on.
Half the ROR retention, half the Tarasenko retention, then the Holl cap dump, then the Engvall cap dump.

Plus the 3rd rd pick might not be enough for a team to retain two separate contracts, given that retention slots per team are limited to 3
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11 nov. 2022 à 8 h 34
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11 nov. 2022 à 8 h 58
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That defense and goalie are still extremely questionable. Up front, could be best in the league but they D and G , to be brutally blunt, is barely playoff calibre
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11 nov. 2022 à 12 h 5
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That's a great way to assure you won't compete another year


Team is built to win now, not in 5 years.
11 nov. 2022 à 12 h 6
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That's a lot of cap still for STL to take on.
Half the ROR retention, half the Tarasenko retention, then the Holl cap dump, then the Engvall cap dump.

Plus the 3rd rd pick might not be enough for a team to retain two separate contracts, given that retention slots per team are limited to 3


You may be right. But almost all of that money off the books this summer.
11 nov. 2022 à 12 h 7
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That defense and goalie are still extremely questionable. Up front, could be best in the league but they D and G , to be brutally blunt, is barely playoff calibre


I agree about the goaltending. But who is available? I'd rather hellebuyck but jets are playing too well to trade him. The d is better without Holl. I agree would need another guy to be happy though.
11 nov. 2022 à 14 h 36
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Team is built to win now, not in 5 years.


And if you fail this year? You're done. Retool. Rebuild. Team as it is is set up to compete a long time.
12 nov. 2022 à 14 h 22
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And if you fail this year? You're done. Retool. Rebuild. Team as it is is set up to compete a long time.


You overvalued picks and prospects when in the cup window. A low 1st is meaningless when might take 5 years to be anything. If ever is. Prospects are just that. Gonna be years before nhl ready. Not going to be stars.
12 nov. 2022 à 14 h 47
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You overvalued picks and prospects when in the cup window. A low 1st is meaningless when might take 5 years to be anything. If ever is. Prospects are just that. Gonna be years before nhl ready. Not going to be stars.


That's an awful train of thought that leads you to a rebuild
12 nov. 2022 à 18 h 7
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That's an awful train of thought that leads you to a rebuild


Eventually. You think Matthews, Marner, Nylander and Tavares are going to play forever? They have a window to win. Now.
12 nov. 2022 à 18 h 13
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Eventually. You think Matthews, Marner, Nylander and Tavares are going to play forever? They have a window to win. Now.


These guys are in their primes dude. And in 3 of those cases they haven't even reached their peak. They'll easily be playing at this level for the next 5 years
13 nov. 2022 à 13 h 15
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These guys are in their primes dude. And in 3 of those cases they haven't even reached their peak. They'll easily be playing at this level for the next 5 years


You're missing the point. They're in their prime or just past their peak now. In 5 years none of them could still be maple leafs. They need to go all in now. 5 years from now is meaningless. Plus, again, picks and prospects aren't as valuable as many people think. A late 1st has maybe a 40% chance of playing even 100 NHL games let alone being impact players.
13 nov. 2022 à 13 h 20
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You're missing the point. They're in their prime or just past their peak now. In 5 years none of them could still be maple leafs. They need to go all in now. 5 years from now is meaningless. Plus, again, picks and prospects aren't as valuable as many people think. A late 1st has maybe a 40% chance of playing even 100 NHL games let alone being impact players.


You should probably take up that value with NHL GMs, because obviously they're doing it wrong.
13 nov. 2022 à 15 h 1
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You should probably take up that value with NHL GMs, because obviously they're doing it wrong.


That's why teams constantly trade 1st for mediocre players? Prospects go justvas often. Leafs have traded 2 firsts in the past few years just for cap dumps.
13 nov. 2022 à 16 h 27
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That's why teams constantly trade 1st for mediocre players? Prospects go justvas often. Leafs have traded 2 firsts in the past few years just for cap dumps.


You do realize the only way teams stay competitive is by keeping their picks? It's like talking to a 5 year old
13 nov. 2022 à 18 h 41
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You do realize the only way teams stay competitive is by keeping their picks? It's like talking to a 5 year old


I dare you to go look at the prospect pools of the best teams in the last decade. All are really bad. Because you're wrong, and spectacularly condescending about it.
13 nov. 2022 à 21 h 33
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I dare you to go look at the prospect pools of the best teams in the last decade. All are really bad. Because you're wrong, and spectacularly condescending about it.


You do t need to have a top tier prospect pool, you need to be able to resupply talent into your lineup.
14 nov. 2022 à 23 h 24
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You do t need to have a top tier prospect pool, you need to be able to resupply talent into your lineup.


You need to win a cup, which means traded picks and prospects for good players. All the teams that win do it. That's how they win. Worrying about 5 years from now is pointless when can win now.
15 nov. 2022 à 8 h 5
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You need to win a cup, which means traded picks and prospects for good players. All the teams that win do it. That's how they win. Worrying about 5 years from now is pointless when can win now.


This is going nowhere. Sure, if you want to shoot your load one year, go for it. Some of us like to be competitive for longer
15 nov. 2022 à 13 h 34
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This is going nowhere. Sure, if you want to shoot your load one year, go for it. Some of us like to be competitive for longer


Losers are happy to make the playoffs and lose. I'd rather win and then rebuild.
15 nov. 2022 à 13 h 51
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Losers are happy to make the playoffs and lose. I'd rather win and then rebuild.


I'd argue you don't even have that much increased chance to win with this roster.
15 nov. 2022 à 16 h 38
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I'd argue you don't even have that much increased chance to win with this roster.


That is a different argument. But a better one than championship teams don't trade futures to bolster their window. Still not a good one. Nobody thinks the Leafs aren't a contender. Or I should say nobody not biased against them. Which I have no problem with, but it's still true.
 
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