Think the Canucks would take a package form the Flames for Boeser? I really like Horvat for a team looking for a perfect 2C for a playoff run. In regards to the Flames I think they would either look at Boeser or Garland, my preference being Boeser. What do you think a good price for Boeser would be?

Not 100 % sure but I don't think they can trade Kuzmenko this year.

Can't trade him last year, can't trade him next year...so its gotta be this year.

I spent way too much time processing how u signed ryan mcdonagh

I'd be bringing in Garland or Horvat over Boeser, my preference being the Right Shot Garland @4.95mil till 2026:

Huberdeau-Lindholm-Mangiapane
Dube-Kadri-Garland
Coleman-Backlund-Toffoli

We'd likely have to move Toffoli in the off-season for Cap Space though considering we should have Coronato turning professional soon as well. Hanifin & Zadorov are two other options that could be moved for Cap Space, as are Backlund & Tanev, but the latter two are less likely to be moved imo

Horvat & Garland would help us significantly more at Even Strength than Boeser would. I don't believe Boeser will do much better in CGY than Toffoli, who's also just 56.5% the Cap Hit of Boeser

Could move Lindholm to RW if Horvat were to be acquired:

Huberdeau-Horvat-Lindholm
Dube-Kadri-Mangiapane
Coleman-Backlund-Toffoli

or Kadri to LW:

Huberdeau-Lindholm-Mangiapane
Kadri-Horvat-Dube
Coleman-Backlund-Toffoli

I wonder if Horvat would sign a long-term deal similar to Kadri's $7mil/yr x 7yrs or $55mil/8yrs = $6.875mil keeping in mind we need a future Backlund replacement too

I think the trade at face value is fair, although I don't see Calgary giving their 2023 1st (maybe 2024 Florida or 2025). I doubt they would trade for him as a UFA without some conditionality on the picks.

Moving one of your 1A/1B centers to the wing isn't the way to go about it I don't think. That paired with contract and what Calgary would have to give up to get him is why I think Horvat is probably the worst fit of the three, not that he's a bad target he just would slot strangely with Calgary's center depth.

Garland vs. Boeser could be argued back and forth all day.

https://frozenpool.dobbersports.com/frozenpool_compare.php?players%5B%5D=4512&players%5B%5D=4305&period=2021-2022%3AR%3A99

That's a comparison of the three last season, even their last 3 season stats are noticeably similar. Really comes down to contract, I think if they went out and got Garland it lines up:
Huberdeau - Lindholm - Toffoli
Dube - Kadri - Mangiapane
Coleman - Backlund - Garland
Lucic - Rooney - Ritchie

With Boeser:
Huberdeau - Lindholm - Mangiapane
Dube - Kadri - Boeser
Coleman - Backlnd - Toffoli
Lucic - Rooney - Ritchie

Late 1st + Zary for Horvat 50% retained would be a steal. I would expect at least another 2nd and maybe another Prospect for the retention. At just 27, Horvat is in his peak years and he's Canadian, so is more likely to sign & stay in CGY = less of a Flight Risk.

Boeser has better size, but he's soft and lazy compared to Garland who would be a much better fit on the Flames even though he's on the smaller size. Boeser is a one-dimensional offensive player afaic. If we did bring him in, it'd be for the 1RW position, but again, I'd prefer the Canadian Centre or Garland more.

Horvat >>> Kadri at FaceOffs, so have him take the FaceOffs and then move & play RW like MTL is doing with Monahan

I'd have Mang compete with Garland for the 1RW. Toffoli just doesn't have enough foot speed to be on a line with Huby & Lindy. He should be used on the #1 PP and with Coleman & Backlund imo or sent to VAN for Horvat, Garland or Boeser, but I don't see Sutter letting his Lucky Charm go

It would be a steal, but so unlikely. Especially in division.

Again, Boeser and Garland could be argued until you're blue in the face, either or would be a great acquisition.

There are significantly more responsibilities to be a C than taking faceoffs, I get it's important but a 4% swing isn't worth having guys swapping positions mid shift because one of the projected worst teams in the league is doing it with a coach that has notoriously said he just wants the guys to play as opposed to the anti-Marty St. Louis structural guru that Sutter is.

I mean Toffoli is at a point per game clip right now.. it obviously doesn't sustain but if he's producing at a .70 - .75 that's still 55+ points while playing a really really strong defensive game that pairs well with Lindholm and let's Huberdeau take risks in the OZone that line shouldn't be touched at this point. That DNA line is seriously too good to break up right now.

Good thoughts here, appreciate the feedback. The original goal of the post was to show a general return for Horvat though as a rental. It really doesn't have to be Calgary as the recipient. Any contender will work.

It should be sustainable and higher given Toffoli's playing 1st line minutes, but with only 1 Assist at Even Strength and the remainder coming on the PP or 3on3 in OT, he's clearly a Power Play Specialist. Time to give Mang, Dube, Ruzicka or Phillips a look over Toffoli at 1RW imo. I think Kadri & Dube would do fine, if not better with a better Passer/Playmaker like Ruzicka or Phillips on the Wing. Mang is more of a Sniper/Play Driver, which would work Good on Line 1, a slightly more similar look & style to Tkachuk's

My Expectations based on Ice-Time & Line Mates are:

1st Liners: 0.80-1.00PPG+
2nd Liners: 0.67-0.80PPG+
3rd Liners: 0.40-0.60PPG+, and
4th Liners: 0.20-0.33PPG+

75% of his career points are even strength, 30 if his 49 points last season were even strength.. his numbers 5 on 5 in close games are excellent indicating he's a strong defensive forward that has a knack for clutch goals. He's far from a PP specialist. You gotta stop with the Phillips Ruzicka stuff, there's a reason Phillips passed through waivers, Ruzicka needs to make the team as a center as opposed to giving him a shot on the wing where he's rarely played, just because Toffoli doesn't skate fast enough for your liking. Throwing Phillips or Ruzicka on the top line immediately opens up laughable line matching opportunities for other coaches, your top line goes against the other teams best night in night out, you'd have to think other teams would be dying to get a shot against the Huberdeau - Lindholm - Phillips line.

That was the past, this is the present. Toffoli + Lindholm & Huberdeau doesn't work 5on5 unless it's on a Breakout Odd Numbered Rush.

Toffoli should be on a line with Coleman & Backlund, which would be the better Shut Down line against the other Teams 1st & 2nd Lines. Toffoli is very efficient on the back check stick checking the puck away from guys like McDavid & Draisaitl and will get far more and better offensive opportunities against offensive first minded players.

I absolutely won't stop suggesting Phillips & Ruzicka deserve a chance to play with more offensively talented & skilled players, as we don't know what they can do till we see them play. Lots of quality players passed through waivers, it happens, especially when Teams already have their rosters set and have no cap space or contract slots available to bring more players in.

We can't keep just rating & valuing players based on when they were Drafted. They could be the next Pavelski, Gaudreau, Mangiapane, Garland, Bratt & Sharangovich. If they can score on the Top Line in the AHL, they can probably do it in the NHL too. Putting them on the 4th Line with Lucic & Lewis and expecting them to produce is just nonsense, yet Ruzicka did it anyways and Ruzicka has never been given a chance at RW, only LW once in the pre-season. Any time Phillips has played with the Flames, he has been Dangerous.

Yes, Phillips is small, but I bet he Checks and Back Checks better than Boeser and that he'll open up more space and chances for Lindholm & Huberdeau than Toffoli will. Unfortunately we'll likely never know though because of Sutter's Short Sighted Stubborness and Sizeism. Great Coach but He's Not Perfect either

5 game sample size where the team is 4-1-0, hopefully they just let the hockey minds run with it instead of internet guys.

Funny that it takes some pretty serious foot speed to backcheck and provide back pressure effectively. Is he only good going one direction?

They literally deserve nothing. I could not care less where they're drafted, no one does, who said anything about the draft? Go look at Andrew Poturalski, Danny O'Reagan, Sam Anas, Reid Boucher and many many other mid 20's AHL scoring leaders. All at one point have led or been top 2 or 3 in the AHL scoring race, all significantly better scorers than Phillips or Ruzicka, all around the same age as Phillips when they were leading the AHL in scoring, either career AHL'ers or in Europe now. You'll also notice they're relatively undersized. So what you're saying is the entire league has these kids wrong but you've got them pinned? They're above average AHL players.

Similar to Lucic, Toffoli's decent going North South, but he doesn't have the necessary acceleration to find the open spaces or retrieve the puck before the opponents do, He's better as Floating Sniper than a Fast Paced, Highly Skilled Offensive Threat who can both Score & Pass

I've said it before and alluded to it here that Sutter won't give them a chance or change things up because they have a winning record, but that doesn't mean everything's fine and the Team is good as is. The 1st line thus far is underperforming and a disappointment and Lewis brings nothing offensively to the 3rd line

All I'm saying is give Ruzicka & Phillips deserve a chance to show what they can do there. At least those other players you mentioned were given a fair shot. It's not like Ruzicka was a disappointment last season. He did Amazing given the Opportunities, TOI & Line Mates he was given. With just 1 NHL Regular Season Game under his belt Phillips has not been given a fair opportunity and should be rewarded for his success in our AHL system imo

Not really about them getting a fair chance. They've far from earned a fair chance. Of the guys I mentioned the best one in Ponuralski, 4 NHL games, Sam Anas, 0. The other 2 have a collective 166 games on either really bad or really shallow teams which the Flames are not. It's not about rewarding someone for putting up points in the AHL, it's about icing the best team to beat the other teams, hence Trevor Lewis lined up against McDavid this year and last, he's done an excellent job when he's on the ice against him.

Again, we can go back and forth forever but the valuations of the Flames prospects is insanity in this thread again.

Yeah, I didn't bother looking them up, but Poturalski's another guy that should be given a better look. Stefan Noesen is having a good start to his year and Martin Frk might be able to do something in the NHL given the opportunity as well. I say try them, it's a low risk high reward proposition but that's just my opinion