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Detroit Double Dip

Créé par: Shakabakes
Équipe: 2022-23 Rangers de New York
Date de création initiale: 14 oct. 2022
Publié: 14 oct. 2022
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
Description
If Kravtsov and Blais turn it around, then this trade could be easily nixed.

But with Kravtsov's inexperience and Blais' penchant for sustaining injury, it's more than justified to be wary of them.

Rangers are looking to accrue at least another $4M or so in Cap space by the TDL (hence why the Cap is screwy at this current moment). Gives them 4 solid lines entering the Playoffs. Could even see them maneuver for another Defensman, possibly.

Trade only works if Detroit is out of the Playoff picture, obviously.
Transactions
NYR
  1. Bertuzzi, Tyler (2 375 000 $ retained)
  2. Suter, Pius
DET
  1. Blais, Samuel
  2. Kravtsov, Vitali
  3. Choix de 1e ronde en 2023 (DAL)
  4. Choix de 2e ronde en 2023 (NYR)
Détails additionnels:
Blais for Cap purposes
Rachats de contrats
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2023
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2024
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2025
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TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS Info-bulleBONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2382 500 000 $83 166 469 $0 $3 700 000 $-666 469 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
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6 500 000 $6 500 000 $
AG
NMC
UFA - 5
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8 500 000 $8 500 000 $
C
NMC
UFA - 8
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2 100 000 $2 100 000 $
AD
RFA - 2
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11 642 857 $11 642 857 $
AG
NMC
UFA - 4
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5 625 000 $5 625 000 $
C, AD
NMC
UFA - 7
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925 000 $925 000 $ (Bonis de performance2 850 000 $$3M)
AG, AD
RFA - 1
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3 250 000 $3 250 000 $
C, AG
UFA - 1
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2 300 000 $2 300 000 $
C, AG
UFA - 1
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0 $0 $
AG, AD
UFA - 1
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750 000 $750 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 1
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750 000 $750 000 $
C
UFA - 1
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3 641 667 $3 641 667 $
C, AG
M-NTC
UFA - 5
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762 500 $762 500 $
AG, AD
UFA - 1
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1 750 000 $1 750 000 $
AD
UFA - 1
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
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3 000 000 $3 000 000 $
DG
RFA - 2
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9 500 000 $9 500 000 $
DD
UFA - 7
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5 666 667 $5 666 667 $
G
UFA - 3
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925 000 $925 000 $ (Bonis de performance400 000 $$400K)
DG
RFA - 1
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8 000 000 $8 000 000 $
DD
NMC
UFA - 4
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1 500 000 $1 500 000 $ (Bonis de performance50 000 $$50K)
G
NMC
UFA - 1
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925 000 $925 000 $
DG
RFA - 1
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925 000 $925 000 $ (Bonis de performance400 000 $$400K)
DD
RFA - 2
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800 000 $800 000 $
DG
UFA - 1

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14 oct. 2022 à 17 h 50
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Detroit declines. We have to do better than Kravstov as the main piece coming back in a Bertuzzi trade. I know he's viewed as a rental but you know what? I'd rather lose him for nothing than knuckle under to a lowball trade offer. I'm sick of hearing about rentals being worth nothing. Just like the Patty Kane offers. Just keep The player and tell other GM's to kick rocks.
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14 oct. 2022 à 18 h 10
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Detroit declines. We have to do better than Kravstov as the main piece coming back in a Bertuzzi trade. I know he's viewed as a rental but you know what? I'd rather lose him for nothing than knuckle under to a lowball trade offer. I'm sick of hearing about rentals being worth nothing. Just like the Patty Kane offers. Just keep The player and tell other GM's to kick rocks.


What would be an example?

What Player/Prospect from the Rangers (or any other team) would be reasonable for you to be paired with a 1st Rounder for Bertuzzi?
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14 oct. 2022 à 18 h 33
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What would be an example?

What Player/Prospect from the Rangers (or any other team) would be reasonable for you to be paired with a 1st Rounder for Bertuzzi?


How about Cuylie and that 1st?
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What would be an example?

What Player/Prospect from the Rangers (or any other team) would be reasonable for you to be paired with a 1st Rounder for Bertuzzi?


Me personally I would want Othmann/Cuyle and maybe Skinner added in for that package. Not really much interest in Kravtsov or Blais.
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14 oct. 2022 à 18 h 36
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Detroit declines. We have to do better than Kravstov as the main piece coming back in a Bertuzzi trade. I know he's viewed as a rental but you know what? I'd rather lose him for nothing than knuckle under to a lowball trade offer. I'm sick of hearing about rentals being worth nothing. Just like the Patty Kane offers. Just keep The player and tell other GM's to kick rocks.


I highly doubt Detroit would decline this. Obtaining a 1st, a 2nd and a B+ prospect like Kravstov for Bertuzzi and Suter would be a very good return.
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What would be an example?

What Player/Prospect from the Rangers (or any other team) would be reasonable for you to be paired with a 1st Rounder for Bertuzzi?


Problem is no contender will want to give up a good prospect. Fans want their cake and to eat it too. First round pick sounds nice but the Rangers pick will be around 30-32 overall. So are we talking a Joe Veleno like player? Doesn't move the needle for me.

Yzerman can't show he'll be bullied into a weak offer just so he can get something rather than nothing. Sakic wouldn't pay a 2nd to get Bernier a couple of trade deadlines ago. Yzerman held firm and ended up dealing Bernier in the Nedeljkovic trade.

This served Yzerman well down the road when he traded Nick Leddy for Sundqvist, Walman and a 2nd. His buddy Armstrong knew Stevie wouldn't knuckle under.
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I highly doubt Detroit would decline this. Obtaining a 1st, a 2nd and a B+ prospect like Kravstov for Bertuzzi and Suter would be a very good return.


What's so great about Kravstov and a late 1st who will most likely never play in the NHL? And a 2nd? Another player who the numbers say will likely not turn into an NHL player? Easy pass for me. Or is Yzerman's goal to help the Rangers win a Stanley Cup? Is Dolan paying him? So we're essentially trading Bertuzzi for lottery tickets? Yzerman isn't doing that. It's not a very good return at all.
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Quoting: Shakabakes
What would be an example?

What Player/Prospect from the Rangers (or any other team) would be reasonable for you to be paired with a 1st Rounder for Bertuzzi?


Quoting: Spaceman
I highly doubt Detroit would decline this. Obtaining a 1st, a 2nd and a B+ prospect like Kravstov for Bertuzzi and Suter would be a very good return.


Have you seen the price to move cap this year thus far, I dont believe it will get cheaper. Bert is worth at the deadline a 1st + (what the plus is up for debate as his production this year will influence it) asking for retention on it adds more(it cost a Van a second to move the same amount of cap for instance). Suter's value is about a mid round pick at this point, maybe even less given his contract. So the deal isn't the low ball offer some might say, but it doesn't help the wings that much beyond the 1st rounder. You need to find the right piece that would make the wings consider it.
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Problem is no contender will want to give up a good prospect. Fans want their cake and to eat it too. First round pick sounds nice but the Rangers pick will be around 30-32 overall. So are we talking a Joe Veleno like player? Doesn't move the needle for me.

Yzerman can't show he'll be bullied into a weak offer just so he can get something rather than nothing. Sakic wouldn't pay a 2nd to get Bernier a couple of trade deadlines ago. Yzerman held firm and ended up dealing Bernier in the Nedeljkovic trade.

This served Yzerman well down the road when he traded Nick Leddy for Sundqvist, Walman and a 2nd. His buddy Armstrong knew Stevie wouldn't knuckle under.


The Pick I included was the Dallas Pick, to be fair. A mid Round 1st, as opposed to the late 1st of the Rangers Pick.
 
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