I assume Chicago would prefer the two firsts.

Even a 21 year old Dach was seen as too old for their rebuild.

Kravtsov was shopped for a 2nd last year and NYR couldn’t find any takers. He certainly hasn’t increased in value, so

1st, 1st >> 1st, Kravtsov

While I agree with your initial assessment, he will finally be taking the ice this Season. Being able to showcase what he can (or can't) do will be able to show much (or how little) value he actually has.

Kravtsov was not shopped for 2nd last year, similar to Lundkvist being shopped for a 2nd this year.

I don’t know anything about Lundkvist being shopped for 2nd this year…this is first I have heard of that. All I know was that Lundkvist reportedly asked for a trade, then was traded.

As for Kravtsov, it was well reported that Rangers had him on the block last October after he failed to make team and returned to Traktor.

My point was, in a vacuum, the offer of two 1sts is probably my greater than the offer of a 1st and Kravtsov.

Sure, I understand, only comment by Drury was that Kravtsov is an all-world talent. I think it was a short-sided decision by Kravtsov to return to the KHL, he was getting sent to the AHL to tighten up his 200-foot game and would have been back up within a month. I agree given Chicago's teardown that two firsts would be more attractive.

Chicago wouldn't even consider option 1. Option 2...MAYBE...but more likely it's going to take a 1st, Kaapo (or Othmann) and cap dump/move

with Dach it wasn't just an age thing. There were some rumors coming out of Chicago that they weren't impressed with Dach's work ethic on and off the ice. Something happened around off-ice training and what Dach wanted versus the Hawks expected.

I doubt the NYR will take much from their roster depth in any trade. Othmann is just about part of this team and likely going nowhere. It will be a heavily laden futures and younger prospects package.

You are pose the same argument with Kravtsov then.

It's going to have to move the needle for Kane depending on how many teams he's willing to waive for. The more, let's say NYR, Toronto, Edmonton, throw in Vegas or Florida, and the more the price goes up obviously. Especially in that instance, (2) late 1sts or a 1st and a B level prospect isn't going to land him. Kane is a game changer especially in the playoffs, it's been a long time since the NHL has seen a player of that caliber available as a rental for the playoffs. Giroux is the closest example in recent years but Kane is hands down better and likely wouldn't also pigeon-hole the Hawks to one team like he did.

I suspect the reason why Kane didn't want to be traded before the season is so he could pull a GIroux. He doesn't want to be traded to just a good team, but the team he thinks will win given how the season is going. This does not really change the NYR approach. They are not going to weaken the current depth much to bring on a rental. I agree, the trades presented here aren't enough, the package will be really nice, just not the players you're talking about.

Kane has already said he wants to see what happens in the first part of the season which is a direct translation, if he waives, it will be to a team he knows he can put them over the top. He is a student of the game, an addict that when not playing/training he is watching games and tape. He studies every team like he were a coach. Wherever he goes, he knows what kind of impact he can bring and not bring so I bet where he goes turns into a conference final team at a minimum.

I don't know what NY will or will not offer, but it's going to take a Kaapo or Otthmann type of player to land kane....not a A+ elite level prospect but a solid A/A- top 6 player.

Chicago just flubbed the trade for DeBrincat. And Giroux severely limited the assets that Philadelphia could acquire by pigeon holing them into making a deal with the team he wanted. The Rangers aren't going to overpay if Kane tells the Blackhawks that they're the only team he will go to.

I agree and what I've iterated on here many times in this thread and others. However, I highly doubt Kane ties the hands of the Hawks given the tight relationship they have and Kane many times saying he wants to work for the organization when his playing days are finished. I'm betting he submits 3 teams, not exactly an open market but enough to drive the price up to a level it makes sense for all parties and everyone walks away happy. The Rangers are the most interesting case purely from a perspective of where they are at in their rebuild (just coming of age so to speak), whereas Toronto is an absolute win now mode. Would Kane waive for Toronto or any Canadian team for that matter? I believe that's an interesting debate in itself. At the end of the day, who knows what happens...heck he maybe even stick in Chicago.

What does a trade for Toews look like in your mind?

I don't see NYR landing Kane without Othman going the other way.
Unless the other packages are lackluster and/or Kane uses his NMC to force a deal to Broadway.

If Kane ultimately forces his way to NY, then that shouldn't be necessary. Any combination of Kravtsov and those Picks would suffice.

Hard one to pin and it's going to predicated on whether he picks up where he left off at the end of last season (late 1st rounder) or if he regresses to where he was at the beginning of the season (late 2nd); either way also considering half retention by the Hawks.

Another factor in Kane's price is whether Pastrnak becomes available.

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