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Date de création initiale: 23 août 2022
Publié: 23 août 2022
Équipe: 2022-23 Maple Leafs de Toronto
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RFAANSCAP HIT
Sandin, Rasmus86 750 000 $
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Aston-Reese, Zach11 200 000 $
Milano, Sonny11 200 000 $
Subban, P.K.11 200 000 $
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TOR
  1. McTavish, Mason
  2. Zegras, Trevor
  3. Choix de 2023 ronde en 2e (BOS)
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  1. Marner, Mitchell
  2. Choix de 2023 ronde en 3e (OTT)
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TOR
  1. Hartman, Ryan
MIN
  1. Kerfoot, Alexander
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TOR
  1. Kane, Patrick (5 250 000 $ retained)
CHI
  1. Engvall, Pierre
  2. Holl, Justin
  3. Niemelä, Topi
  4. Choix de 2023 ronde en 1e (TOR)
  5. Choix de 2025 ronde en 1e (TOR)
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Tavares, John
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Kane, Patrick
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Robertson, Nicholas
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Zegras, Trevor
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McTavish, Mason
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Hartman, Ryan
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Kämpf, David
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Aubé-Kubel, Nicolas
1 000 000 $
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Aston-Reese, Zach
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Milano, Sonny
1 200 000 $
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Rielly, Morgan
7 500 000 $
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Brodie, TJ
5 000 000 $
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Murray, Matt
4 687 500 $
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Muzzin, Jake
5 625 000 $
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Sandin, Rasmus
6 750 000 $
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Samsonov, Ilya
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Giordano, Mark
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23 août 2022 à 10 h 28
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Yeah, the first two are beyond bad. Anaheim and Minnesota fast and quickly say no
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23 août 2022 à 10 h 29
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All accept. Best trades ever posted in the history of ACGM. Especially the ducks. Makes so much sense for their system.
23 août 2022 à 10 h 32
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That NHL 23 team would start off rough but year two probably has a chance to win it all in your simulation.
23 août 2022 à 10 h 42
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That Sandin signing seems risky/high given he still has lots to prove (I like him as much as the next guy).
23 août 2022 à 10 h 49
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We won’t do either Zegras or McTavish for Marner 1 for 1 let alone both with a 2nd😂😂

How about you take that 2nd and we take Marner. Seems fair due to your logic but fella
23 août 2022 à 10 h 50
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We won’t do either Zegras or McTavish for Marner 1 for 1 let alone both with a 2nd😂😂

How about you take that 2nd and we take Marner. Seems fair due to your logic but fella


Lol, imagine thinking the ducks wouldn't do one for one for either and then pretending you have the bad trade highground
23 août 2022 à 10 h 52
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Lol, imagine thinking the ducks wouldn't do one for one for either and then pretending you have the bad trade highground


You can’t be that serious man. You really think the Ducks would go Marner for Zegras or Marner for McTavish?
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23 août 2022 à 11 h 38
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Two members of our future core for Marner, and moving down a pick, why in the world do you think that's a fair trade?

You can keep the guy who never gets it done in elimination games.
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23 août 2022 à 11 h 41
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You can’t be that serious man. You really think the Ducks would go Marner for Zegras or Marner for McTavish?


You cant be serious in thinking they wouldn't. Just a hilarious concept
23 août 2022 à 11 h 51
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When did Marner become Gretzky? tears of joy

Ducks don’t even give that up for Matthews

Can’t wait to see this one on the Worst ACGM Twitter
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23 août 2022 à 11 h 52
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Quoting: JaredOfLondon
You cant be serious in thinking they wouldn't. Just a hilarious concept


It actually makes no sense for the Ducks to do that

2 years of Marner for a 1A 1B center of our future?? Lol
23 août 2022 à 12 h 2
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It actually makes no sense for the Ducks to do that

2 years of Marner for a 1A 1B center of our future?? Lol


It's almost like mitch marner is significantly more valuable than either prospect and only someone out of their mind on prospect over rating would declare otherwise. Just an entirety goofy line of thinking. There are like 3 prospects that could get a guy like marner straight up and none of them are ducks
23 août 2022 à 12 h 6
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Quoting: JaredOfLondon
It's almost like mitch marner is significantly more valuable than either prospect and only someone out of their mind on prospect over rating would declare otherwise. Just an entirety goofy line of thinking. There are like 3 prospects that could get a guy like marner straight up and none of them are ducks


You already have multiple people telling you their thoughts, with two of them being Duck fans who know more about both players. Maybe it is you who is lost lol. Neither of them are discrediting that Marner is good, but you only look at it from one dimension.
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23 août 2022 à 12 h 12
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You already have multiple people telling you their thoughts, with two of them being Duck fans who know more about both players. Maybe it is you who is lost lol. Neither of them are discrediting that Marner is good, but you only look at it from one dimension.


Ah yes, two ducks fans massively over rate their guys and it's automatically someone else who is wrong.
Marner is worth significantly more than either prospect alone. He's 25, just had 34 goals and 97 points in 72 games while being a major penalty killer on one of the leagues best pks.
Even if the ducks didnt want to keep marner for timeline reasons, they'd do that trade because they could easily flip him for way more than they paid which would match their rebuilding timeline.
Pretending otherwise is prospect over rating at it's best
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23 août 2022 à 12 h 16
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Quoting: JaredOfLondon
It's almost like mitch marner is significantly more valuable than either prospect and only someone out of their mind on prospect over rating would declare otherwise. Just an entirety goofy line of thinking. There are like 3 prospects that could get a guy like marner straight up and none of them are ducks


Even if we operate under the assumption that you are right, the Ducks wouldn't go for this deal, as it overly jeopardizes our rebuild. Marner has two years left until he is a UFA, where Zegras and McTavish are both under RFA control for their next deals. Both our guys are younger and fit our rebuild timeline. Marner has an agent that advises guys to miss camp and play hard ball when there is a contract dispute. Lastly, Zegras isn't a prospect, he has a roster spot on the Ducks, and McTavish will spend his season in the bigs. Calling them prospects is disingenuous.

Either way, everyone in Anaheim would keep McTavish and Zegras over Marner, its not even a conversation, its a Ducks fans laugh you off the line for even proposing such a pie in the sky idea.
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23 août 2022 à 12 h 26
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Quoting: JaredOfLondon
Ah yes, two ducks fans massively over rate their guys and it's automatically someone else who is wrong.
Marner is worth significantly more than either prospect alone. He's 25, just had 34 goals and 97 points in 72 games while being a major penalty killer on one of the leagues best pks.
Even if the ducks didnt want to keep marner for timeline reasons, they'd do that trade because they could easily flip him for way more than they paid which would match their rebuilding timeline.
Pretending otherwise is prospect over rating at it's best


So they overrating their prospects, yet you and other TML don’t do the same with Robertson, Hiro, Topi, Arbz, etc.?

Again, you are looking at it from ONE perspective. You see 34 goals, 97 points, 25 years old. People outside Toronto see a very skilled, elite winger. They see robin to Mattman.

You look at McTavish and Zegras and see two players that don’t give Marner’s value currently. Others see two potential number 1 centers, or potentially one of the best 1-2 center punches in the NHL for the next 10 years.

You even said flip him if need be…. Why the hell would you take two top prospects (one already proven in the nhl) and trade for a super star, to turn around and try and get more prospects lol. It makes no sense. What are you flipping marner for that will get you more than MM and TZ? Also, retaining salary? Which teams are already ineligible due to not being able to take 5-10 million? A lot of questions that you don’t have answers for.
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23 août 2022 à 12 h 28
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I think what's lost in the conversation here is that neither the Ducks would trade McTavish + Zegras for Marner, nor would the Leafs trade Marner for Zegras + McTavish. Trading Marner jeopardizes Toronto's ability to win, and trading McTavish and Zegras jeopardizes Anaheim's rebuild.

But saying the Ducks wouldn't trade Zegras for Marner 1-for-1 is just not true. If there's a chance you can lock up Marner long term to play with McTavish, you do that every day of the week.
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23 août 2022 à 12 h 30
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So they overrating their prospects, yet you and other TML don’t do the same with Robertson, Hiro, Topi, Arbz, etc.?

Again, you are looking at it from ONE perspective. You see 34 goals, 97 points, 25 years old. People outside Toronto see a very skilled, elite winger. They see robin to Mattman.

You look at McTavish and Zegras and see two players that don’t give Marner’s value currently. Others see two potential number 1 centers, or potentially one of the best 1-2 center punches in the NHL for the next 10 years.

You even said flip him if need be…. Why the hell would you take two top prospects (one already proven in the nhl) and trade for a super star, to turn around and try and get more prospects lol. It makes no sense. What are you flipping marner for that will get you more than MM and TZ? Also, retaining salary? Which teams are already ineligible due to not being able to take 5-10 million? A lot of questions that you don’t have answers for.


Just wanna pop in and say that I think the Toronto media hypes up its prospects too quickly. A guy like Robertson is following a completely normal development curve, while battling through two really brutal injuries and putting up elite 2-way numbers in the AHL. Only a handful of guys are doing better than him (such as Jack Quinn).
23 août 2022 à 12 h 31
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Even if we operate under the assumption that you are right, the Ducks wouldn't go for this deal, as it overly jeopardizes our rebuild. Marner has two years left until he is a UFA, where Zegras and McTavish are both under RFA control for their next deals. Both our guys are younger and fit our rebuild timeline. Marner has an agent that advises guys to miss camp and play hard ball when there is a contract dispute. Lastly, Zegras isn't a prospect, he has a roster spot on the Ducks, and McTavish will spend his season in the bigs. Calling them prospects is disingenuous.

Either way, everyone in Anaheim would keep McTavish and Zegras over Marner, its not even a conversation, its a Ducks fans laugh you off the line for even proposing such a pie in the sky idea.


And? Sure, that's Arguable and i never said otherwise. Either or? The ducks do it 100 times out of 100.
23 août 2022 à 12 h 32
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I think what's lost in the conversation here is that neither the Ducks would trade McTavish + Zegras for Marner, nor would the Leafs trade Marner for Zegras + McTavish. Trading Marner jeopardizes Toronto's ability to win, and trading McTavish and Zegras jeopardizes Anaheim's rebuild.

But saying the Ducks wouldn't trade Zegras for Marner 1-for-1 is just not true. If there's a chance you can lock up Marner long term to play with McTavish, you do that every day of the week.


Playing chance over certainty is why gamblers go broke and Las Vegas exists.
23 août 2022 à 12 h 34
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Quoting: JaredOfLondon
And? Sure, that's Arguable and i never said otherwise. Either or? The ducks do it 100 times out of 100.


Ducks do it zero times out of 100. Zegras for at least 5 years plus McTavish for at least 7 years >>>> Marner.

But you're defending your title of Toronto's blindest homer very well.
23 août 2022 à 12 h 37
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So they overrating their prospects, yet you and other TML don’t do the same with Robertson, Hiro, Topi, Arbz, etc.?

Again, you are looking at it from ONE perspective. You see 34 goals, 97 points, 25 years old. People outside Toronto see a very skilled, elite winger. They see robin to Mattman.

You look at McTavish and Zegras and see two players that don’t give Marner’s value currently. Others see two potential number 1 centers, or potentially one of the best 1-2 center punches in the NHL for the next 10 years.

You even said flip him if need be…. Why the hell would you take two top prospects (one already proven in the nhl) and trade for a super star, to turn around and try and get more prospects lol. It makes no sense. What are you flipping marner for that will get you more than MM and TZ? Also, retaining salary? Which teams are already ineligible due to not being able to take 5-10 million? A lot of questions that you don’t have answers for.


Never said leafs fans dont, but then i havent seen any arguing that they wouldn't trade one of their best prospects straight up for an elite 2 way player and then having other fans of other teams defend that stance.
Aa far as flipping him, well it doesnt make sense for onw reason and thats that the leafs would never even remotely consider it but if they were dumb enough to offer it, yeah, the ducks would do it every day. Unless their gm grossly messes up the flip they would easily get more value back than whatever Zegras or McTavish offer and if you need me to be specific about that, well let's put it this way.
If the ducks were interested in marner the leafs dared entertain a trade, they would start the bidding war with a mctavish like prospect and a 1st because that's what he would return. Minimum, at the very least the ducks would have a lateral prospect move and an extra 1st.
23 août 2022 à 12 h 38
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Playing chance over certainty is why gamblers go broke and Las Vegas exists.


Picking prospects over established players is a fine example of chance over certainty
23 août 2022 à 12 h 47
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Quoting: JaredOfLondon
Never said leafs fans dont, but then i havent seen any arguing that they wouldn't trade one of their best prospects straight up for an elite 2 way player and then having other fans of other teams defend that stance.
Aa far as flipping him, well it doesnt make sense for onw reason and thats that the leafs would never even remotely consider it but if they were dumb enough to offer it, yeah, the ducks would do it every day. Unless their gm grossly messes up the flip they would easily get more value back than whatever Zegras or McTavish offer and if you need me to be specific about that, well let's put it this way.
If the ducks were interested in marner the leafs dared entertain a trade, they would start the bidding war with a mctavish like prospect and a 1st because that's what he would return. Minimum, at the very least the ducks would have a lateral prospect move and an extra 1st.


Because it makes no freaking sense for the Ducks to make that trade, and everyone in the room seems to be able to see that except for you. It's public knowledge that the Ducks rebuild will last the next 2-3 years. Who the hell are we going to get a 3rd OA, a 9th OA pick +++ from for Marner if we flipped him??? No one who would want to buy Marner has that to offer us, so saying we could get better than McTavish and Zegras by flipping Marner is insane.

We're no interested in shipping off our core, or any of our first round picks, for anyone in the next three years because we will be wasting 2-3 years of their prime. Not Matthews, not McDavid, and sure as **** not Marner.
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23 août 2022 à 12 h 49
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Quoting: OldNYIfan
Ducks do it zero times out of 100. Zegras for at least 5 years plus McTavish for at least 7 years >>>> Marner.

But you're defending your title of Toronto's blindest homer very well.


Lol, nice to see you've paid zero attention to anything ive actually said, but here it goes again.
Unlike what the ducks prospect homer above said, the ducks would easily trade one or the other for marner, without question.

As for your own example, you are literally stating the opposite of why gamblers go bust because in this scenario, marner is the sure thing. Zegras will probably never be better than marner and McTavish has a better chance of being Galchenyuk than marner, but it's nice to see that people round here still project homer status as hard as they can.
 
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