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Équipe: 2022-23 Jets de Winnipeg
Date de création initiale: 31 juill. 2022
Publié: 31 juill. 2022
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  1. Wheeler, Blake
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    2. Scheifele, Mark (3 062 500 $ retained)
    3. Choix de 5e ronde en 2023 (NYR)
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    1. Crouse, Lawson [Droits de RFA]
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    2. Hörnqvist, Patric
    3. Choix de 3e ronde en 2024 (WPG)
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    31 juill. 2022 à 22 h 44
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    Rangers have no need or cash for 2 years of PLD. Trocheck and Mika are 1C and 2C. Trade him to the Habs since that is where is will end up in 2 years.
    31 juill. 2022 à 22 h 45
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    Oilers will ship JP and Foegele for picks but we dont want more cap in return.
    31 juill. 2022 à 22 h 49
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    The Dubois and Lundell trades are pretty awful for the other team imo
    31 juill. 2022 à 22 h 52
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    So Arizona is eating $10.5m in cap dumps, giving up crouse, and getting Stanley and a 3rd back? Something tells me Arizona laughs and blocks you
    31 juill. 2022 à 22 h 52
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    None of these have the slightest chance of being accepted.

    Caps are not giving up Mantha for Wheeler even of Wheeler came with 0 cap hit.

    That eliminates EDM trade. They have cap issues if their own anyway.

    Fla not using Lundell to move Hornqvist.

    Canes not moving Jarvis period. That is terrible for them anyway.

    Crouse gets more of a return than garbage.

    NYR is the only one that remotely makes some sense, sort of but not really, but the league knows he’s not signing long term anywhere but where he wants to go. So why give Laf’s career for him.
    31 juill. 2022 à 22 h 58
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    Quoting: delneggs
    Rangers have no need or cash for 2 years of PLD. Trocheck and Mika are 1C and 2C. Trade him to the Habs since that is where is will end up in 2 years.


    Quoting: delneggs
    Rangers have no need or cash for 2 years of PLD. Trocheck and Mika are 1C and 2C. Trade him to the Habs since that is where is will end up in 2 years.


    Rangers would have Dubois for only $3 million this season. He had good success with Panarin very early in his career, so no doubt they’ll be even better together now.

    Trochek can play wing and Dubois can as well.

    Dubois is a RFA again after this season.

    I think Dubois and the Rangers will be very good together and he may end up signing a long term deal there but, even if he doesn’t, two years of Dubois may be enough for at least one Cup.

    For these reasons, this trade may be something that the Rangers could be interested in doing.
    31 juill. 2022 à 23 h 0
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    Bjorkstrand got mid round picks and pacioretty was literally free, the Jets are going to need to pay to get someone to take Wheeler even retained. They certainly aren't getting a younger, better, actually good in the locker room player back

    The rest of these deals are EA trades that I guess are somewhat close in value but are just not remotely what these teams are trying to do. Schiefle to CAR is the only one that comes close but zero chance he returns Jarvis and Necas
    31 juill. 2022 à 23 h 1
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    Quoting: FilthyMitts05
    Oilers will ship JP and Foegele for picks but we dont want more cap in return.


    Quoting: FilthyMitts05
    Oilers will ship JP and Foegele for picks but we dont want more cap in return.


    The Oilers are trying to win now though, so picks don’t help in the immediate future. That’s why depth scoring in Mantha and an inexpensive but reliable 4th line RW in Appleton and not draft picks.
    31 juill. 2022 à 23 h 5
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    Quoting: Jets_Fan_Mike
    The Oilers are trying to win now though, so picks don’t help in the immediate future. That’s why depth scoring in Mantha and an inexpensive but reliable 4th line RW in Appleton and not draft picks.


    I do get what your coming from but we would rather get picks to flip on defenseman. Mantha has too high of a cap hit for the Oilers to afford. Keep in mind we have Yamo and Mcleod to resign as well as some depth peices throughout from FA.
    31 juill. 2022 à 23 h 9
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    Quoting: stuuuuuuuuuuutzle
    The Dubois and Lundell trades are pretty awful for the other team imo


    I addressed the Dubois trade reasoning already above.

    Paul Maurice really valued Lowry while he coached the Jets and I think he would want him as his 3C in Florida.

    Heinola projects as a top 4 defenceman at minimum with a likely ceiling as a #2 defenceman on a top pair.

    Together, it’s fair value for Lundell and Hornqvist has negative value as he’s just a salary dump in the trade.
    31 juill. 2022 à 23 h 12
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    Quoting: Jets_Fan_Mike
    Rangers would have Dubois for only $3 million this season. He had good success with Panarin very early in his career, so no doubt they’ll be even better together now.

    Trochek can play wing and Dubois can as well.

    Dubois is a RFA again after this season.

    I think Dubois and the Rangers will be very good together and he may end up signing a long term deal there but, even if he doesn’t, two years of Dubois may be enough for at least one Cup.

    For these reasons, this trade may be something that the Rangers could be interested in doing.


    PLD is forcing his way to the Habs just like Fox forced his way to the Rangers, so any GM that gives up assets for him is renting him for 2 years MAX. Also, Rangers don't have any cap room to spare as they can only sign 22 as it is. Easy PASS for the Rangers.
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    31 juill. 2022 à 23 h 21
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    Quoting: Yotes269
    So Arizona is eating $10.5m in cap dumps, giving up crouse, and getting Stanley and a 3rd back? Something tells me Arizona laughs and blocks you


    Trade 1: Arizona covers $5 million of Wheeler’s salary ($2.5 million over each of the remaining two seasons of the contract) and the get a 24 year old former 1st round pick 6’7” tall defenceman that has been one of the Jets starting 6 defencemen the last two seasons. This is exactly the sort of move Arizona makes as they further develop the player and then either trade him for a good return or he becomes a mainstay in the Coyotes’ top 4.

    Trade 2: Foegele and Crouse are only a year apart in age and their points per game are extremely similar so far in their careers, and they’re both big wingers. Moreover, Foegele is signed for less than what it will likely take to get Crouse signed to a new contract. The Coyotes get a 3rd round pick for taking Hornqvist too, but Hornqvist is in the final year of his contract so he can be flipped for futures at the trade deadline, so again, exactly the smart sort of trade the Coyotes have been doing during their rebuild.

    Also, they have loads of cap space available, so this allows them to “trade” cap space for young assets and assets that can be flipped for more futures.
    31 juill. 2022 à 23 h 30
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    Quoting: Gofnut999
    None of these have the slightest chance of being accepted.

    Caps are not giving up Mantha for Wheeler even of Wheeler came with 0 cap hit.

    That eliminates EDM trade. They have cap issues if their own anyway.

    Fla not using Lundell to move Hornqvist.

    Canes not moving Jarvis period. That is terrible for them anyway.

    Crouse gets more of a return than garbage.

    NYR is the only one that remotely makes some sense, sort of but not really, but the league knows he’s not signing long term anywhere but where he wants to go. So why give Laf’s career for him.


    I think Washington takes Wheeler over Mantha if the AAV is similar because Wheeler puts up more points, he’s not injury prone like Mantha is and he fits the Caps competitive window. Wheeler’s contract runs for two more seasons and that’s likely the extent of their competitive window before the rebuild starts.

    See above for explanations of the other trades.
    31 juill. 2022 à 23 h 53
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    Bjorkstrand got mid round picks and pacioretty was literally free, the Jets are going to need to pay to get someone to take Wheeler even retained. They certainly aren't getting a younger, better, actually good in the locker room player back

    The rest of these deals are EA trades that I guess are somewhat close in value but are just not remotely what these teams are trying to do. Schiefle to CAR is the only one that comes close but zero chance he returns Jarvis and Necas


    Bjorkstrand HAD to be moved to free up cap space for Laine’s new contract. Also, Bjorkstrand had a modified NTC limiting the teams he could be dealt to. The Pacioretty situation was Vegas being OVER the cap and needing to move a big contract out to be cap compliant.

    Mantha at his cap hit, at his production and with his injury history may be considered a bad contract by some in his own right.

    The Jets aren’t over the cap so they aren’t forced to give away a point a game player.

    Look a little closer at Mantha’s stats and Wheeler’s stats over the past few seasons. Given where Washington is at with their aging roster, Wheeler for two seasons fits better because he plays more games and produces more offence and, with the salary retained, the AAV is essentially the same.

    Furthermore, his locker room issues are all because he favours / values veterans (like himself) over young players, and that wouldn’t be an issue with Washington’s older roster.
    1 août 2022 à 0 h 2
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    Quoting: delneggs
    PLD is forcing his way to the Habs just like Fox forced his way to the Rangers, so any GM that gives up assets for him is renting him for 2 years MAX. Also, Rangers don't have any cap room to spare as they can only sign 22 as it is. Easy PASS for the Rangers.


    Except the Rangers were rumoured to be one of the two teams attempting to trade for Dubois. Two seasons of an impact player for a team on the cusp has value and it wouldn’t surprise me at all if he doesn’t end up with Montreal two seasons from now.
    1 août 2022 à 0 h 7
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    Quoting: Jets_Fan_Mike
    Except the Rangers were rumoured to be one of the two teams attempting to trade for Dubois. Two seasons of an impact player for a team on the cusp has value and it wouldn’t surprise me at all if he doesn’t end up with Montreal two seasons from now.


    That was BEFORE they signed Trocheck to a 7 year deal. They now have no money or need for another top 2 center. Why on earth give up assets for something you don't need? And on top of that, Laffy isn't available for trade, so that also rules the trade out.
    1 août 2022 à 0 h 28
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    Quoting: Jets_Fan_Mike
    Bjorkstrand HAD to be moved to free up cap space for Laine’s new contract. Also, Bjorkstrand had a modified NTC limiting the teams he could be dealt to. The Pacioretty situation was Vegas being OVER the cap and needing to move a big contract out to be cap compliant.

    Mantha at his cap hit, at his production and with his injury history may be considered a bad contract by some in his own right.

    The Jets aren’t over the cap so they aren’t forced to give away a point a game player.

    Look a little closer at Mantha’s stats and Wheeler’s stats over the past few seasons. Given where Washington is at with their aging roster, Wheeler for two seasons fits better because he plays more games and produces more offence and, with the salary retained, the AAV is essentially the same.

    Furthermore, his locker room issues are all because he favours / values veterans (like himself) over young players, and that wouldn’t be an issue with Washington’s older roster.


    WPG isn't over the cap but it doesn't really matter if they are trying to move him. It was rumored to cost the Flyers a 1st to move on from JVR.

    Wheeler has scored more points but is legitimately one of if not the worst defensive forward in the entire league, making him a worse overall player than Mantha who is not incredible but completely ok defensively. He also scored 1/3rd of his points on the powerplay where he got top unit minutes and Mantha did not. The Caps already need to give favorable matchups for the much better versions of Wheeler in Ovi and Kuzy, they can't afford to have another line that needs to be sheltered. If you only care about raw points I assume you would happily trade Morrisey 1-1 for Ghostisbere and think Tyson Barrie was robbed of the Norris in 2021.

    Finally, if you have to qualify that a guy is only bad in the locker room around types of guys who will literally be in every NHL locker room including the Caps' next year, I don't really know what to tell you. They have been there before with the Dustin Penners and Mike Ribieros of the world and having those kinds of guys dragging down the team probably cost them a deep run between 2012 and 2016.
    1 août 2022 à 2 h 24
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    Lafrenière and Chytil for Dubois aka looker room cancer - which isn't going to re-sign longterm - eh, no thanks. The biggest no thanks I ever voiced
    1 août 2022 à 6 h 2
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    These are all slanted in the Jets favor and some by a considerable margin.

    Really wonder what Perfetti will develop into in the long run, I'm already wondering if they shouldn't of drafted Lundell instead.

    Would be great to get that for Dubois but the Rangers are likely set with their lineup, I knew that Laine trade was a big loss from day one.

    Funny to make this many moves and not do anything to improve the defense.
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    1 août 2022 à 8 h 7
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    Modifié 2 août 2022 à 23 h 25
    Quoting: Jets_Fan_Mike
    I think Washington takes Wheeler over Mantha if the AAV is similar because Wheeler puts up more points, he’s not injury prone like Mantha is and he fits the Caps competitive window. Wheeler’s contract runs for two more seasons and that’s likely the extent of their competitive window before the rebuild starts.

    See above for explanations of the other trades.



    You can think it all you want but they don’t. When Mantha is in the final year of his contract he will still be a tradeable/extendable asset, Wheeler in his final year is not. Wheeler is also at an age when declining production can happen overnight. Mantha is in his prime. It’s a close to a lateral move in on ice talent but a backwards move in asset management. At this point in their careers i doubt you can find a GM that would rather have Wheeler than Mantha. That’s just reality. 🤷🏻‍♂️

    No other teams even consider these offers for the reasons i listed, along with being lopsided.
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