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2023 Offseason - Jumpstarting the Rebuild

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Équipe: 2023-24 Canadiens de Montréal
Date de création initiale: 24 juill. 2022
Publié: 27 juill. 2022
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
Description
Since the proposed moves occur next offseason and the Habs will likely sell assets at the TDL (Dadonov, Drouin, Allen), they are most likely heading towards another top-5 pick (in this scenario, I’m forecasting Fantilli). Also, a complete picture of the Habs’ assets would likely include a few more draft picks acquired in the aforementioned TDL firesale.

Prying Dubois away from Winnipeg for the price of a 1 year rental to save cap space on his long term deal since the UFA market in 2024 will be severely corrected following the repayment of the players’ pandemic provisions (either a Dvorak/Anderson or Dach-centered trade, depending on the Jets’ objective next summer.)

Prying Girard away from cash-strapped Colorado for a younger, cheaper LHD and futures. Byram just made Girard expandable; MacKinnon’s due for a substantial raise next summer and the Avs have few picks in 2023.

If Price is done for, kick the tires on Huberdeau’s willingness to sign at a hometown discount around 9M AAV x 5 years;

Also, if Price is done, a perennial solution between the pipes will have to to be explored; there’s around 5M remaining for such an add in this scenario.

Decided to buy out Hoffman because I’m tired of wasting energy on imagining trade proposal involving him.
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LISTE DE RÉSERVEANSCAP HIT
2875 000 $
2775 000 $
2775 000 $
3795 000 $
2775 000 $
3775 000 $
2805 000 $
2775 000 $
2825 000 $
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3825 000 $
RFAANSCAP HIT
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22 750 000 $
21 250 000 $
2785 000 $
21 000 000 $
2775 000 $
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2795 000 $
2795 000 $
87 875 000 $
UFAANSCAP HIT
68 785 000 $
CRÉÉANSCAP HIT
Fantilli, Adam
3950 000 $
Transactions
1.
MTL
  1. Dubois, Pierre-Luc [Droits de RFA]
WPG
  1. Dvorak, Christian
  2. Pitlick, Rem
  3. Tuch, Luke
  4. Choix de 1e ronde en 2023 (FLA)
2.
COL
  1. Harris, Jordan
  2. Smilanic, Ty
  3. Choix de 3e ronde en 2023 (MTL)
  4. Choix de 4e ronde en 2023 (MTL)
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2024
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TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS Info-bulleBONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2283 500 000 $76 710 833 $1 170 000 $4 195 000 $6 789 167 $

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C
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C, AD
RFA - 3
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950 000 $950 000 $ (Bonis de performance3 500 000 $$4M)
AD, AG
RFA - 2
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7 875 000 $7 875 000 $
C
UFA - 7
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6 875 000 $6 875 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 8
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5 500 000 $5 500 000 $
AD, AG
M-NTC
UFA - 4
Fantilli, Adam
950 000 $950 000 $
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6 500 000 $6 500 000 $
AD, AG
M-NTC, NMC
UFA - 4
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C
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AD, AG
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785 000 $785 000 $
AG, AD
RFA - 2
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795 000 $795 000 $
AD, AG
RFA - 1
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875 000 $875 000 $
DG/DD
M-NTC
UFA - 1
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5 000 000 $5 000 000 $
DG/DD
UFA - 4
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1 000 000 $1 000 000 $
G
UFA - 1
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4 875 000 $4 875 000 $
DG
M-NTC
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3 500 000 $3 500 000 $
DD
UFA - 2
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1 000 000 $1 000 000 $
G
RFA - 2
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863 333 $863 333 $ (Bonis de performance420 000 $$420K)
DG/DD
RFA - 2
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925 000 $925 000 $ (Bonis de performance275 000 $$275K)
DD
RFA - 1
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762 500 $762 500 $
DD
UFA - 1
Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
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10 500 000 $10 500 000 $
G
NMC
UFA - 3

Unités spéciales

Avantage numérique 1
Avantage numérique 2
Fantilli, A.
Infériorité numérique 1
Infériorité numérique 2

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27 juill. 2022 à 18 h 47
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You need to decide if WPG is competing still or rebuilding. If they are competing then assets like Dvorak make sense but not prospects and picks. Vice versa if they are rebuilding. You need to figure out the other teams needs and make a deal that helps both sides accomplish what they want. Even if lets say Dvorak + 1st isn't too far off from what a rental usually would be you could likely find something better.

Same problem with the 2nd deal. Colorado is in win now mode. Prospects and Picks are useless to them. While Girard makes all the sense in the world for MTL at this point, they don't really have anything that makes sense for Colorado. "They need cap space" isn't a real argument imo. It can show why a player might be available but the trade still needs to make sense
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27 juill. 2022 à 18 h 59
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Trading away an unprotected '23 1st rounder for a guy that will make this horrible team even the smallest amount better for next season, and in turn weakening the draft position of their own '23 1st rounder, has gotta be one of the worst ideas I've seen thus far. Just awful stuff
27 juill. 2022 à 19 h 4
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Quoting: BigBadBurke
Trading away an unprotected '23 1st rounder for a guy that will make this horrible team even the smallest amount better for next season, and in turn weakening the draft position of their own '23 1st rounder, has gotta be one of the worst ideas I've seen thus far. Just awful stuff


That trade is scheduled in the 2023 offseason, once the season is completed and the draft order known. Here, I postulate that FLA’s 1st will be a late one (20+). If the Panthers derail and the pick ends up a high one, that package would obviously be substantially revised.
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27 juill. 2022 à 19 h 6
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I get it if you aren’t a fan of the Avs so you don’t watch Girard on a regular basis, everyone seems to remember him getting run through the boards by Barbashev and thus equating that to he can’t hang.. but come on.. this is a top 4 defenseman that’s had votes for Norris in years prior and is locked in until ‘27, Avs are not “cash-strapped” they have 3.9 mil left this year and EJ 6mil and comphers 3.5 mil will come off the books next summer, plenty of room for Mack’s deal with others included. I do like the idea of a Girard trade for a 2C but I don’t know if Dvorak is that fit
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I get it if you aren’t a fan of the Avs so you don’t watch Girard on a regular basis, everyone seems to remember him getting run through the boards by Barbashev and thus equating that to he can’t hang.. but come on.. this is a top 4 defenseman that’s had votes for Norris in years prior and is locked in until ‘27, Avs are not “cash-strapped” they have 3.9 mil left this year and EJ 6mil and comphers 3.5 mil will come off the books next summer, plenty of room for Mack’s deal with others included. I do like the idea of a Girard trade for a 2C but I don’t know if Dvorak is that fit


Yeah, Dvorak is a great #3 C on a championship team. If youre acquiring him to be the 2C, there's going to be a problem
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27 juill. 2022 à 19 h 22
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Too much deadweight and no quality going to Winnipeg. Easy no for the Jets.
27 juill. 2022 à 19 h 24
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You need to decide if WPG is competing still or rebuilding. If they are competing then assets like Dvorak make sense but not prospects and picks. Vice versa if they are rebuilding. You need to figure out the other teams needs and make a deal that helps both sides accomplish what they want. Even if lets say Dvorak + 1st isn't too far off from what a rental usually would be you could likely find something better.

Same problem with the 2nd deal. Colorado is in win now mode. Prospects and Picks are useless to them. While Girard makes all the sense in the world for MTL at this point, they don't really have anything that makes sense for Colorado. "They need cap space" isn't a real argument imo. It can show why a player might be available but the trade still needs to make sense


Regarding the Dubois deal, the headline comments mention that depending on the Jets’ primary objective, that deal would either be Dvorak/Anderson-centered (still compete) or Dach-centered (retool). I opted in the scenario for Dvorak, adding a (presumably) late 1st as a standard 1 year rental fee to make it worthwhile for the Jets, along with a cheap middle-6 RFA winger in Pitlick and a power forward nearing the end of his NCAA cursus in Tuch. The Jets don’t seem to need D prospects, so I thought that package would be appealing, actually.

For Colorado however, I concur, in retrospect. The proposal assumed that Harris swims rather than sink in his first full NHL season and becomes an interesting, cost-controlled 3rd pairing option to play behind Toews-Byram - and was likely influenced by the recent Bjorkstrand deal for the incentive, but Colorado is aiming for a dynasty and Girard is a luxury they’ll likely be able to afford, until Byram’s ELC expires at least. The target would have been nice, but a trade window seems premature at best. (Maybe Carrier from Nashville would be a better fit as a mid-20’s target, especially since he’s a natural RHD.)
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27 juill. 2022 à 21 h 29
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That’s not a real offer for Girard, I mean ffs you got a 1st 4th and Smillanic for the traffic pylon Chiarot. COL isn’t giving away a 24yr old puck moving dman that is on a sweet contract for the next 5 seasons. In addition Toews is gone in 2 years because there is zero chance they can afford him. The only way to get Girard from COL is to bowl them over with an offer this isn’t even a fair offer it’s a sweet heart deal that totally favors MTL. Easy no every day.
28 juill. 2022 à 14 h 48
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Quoting: Bradshaw97
I get it if you aren’t a fan of the Avs so you don’t watch Girard on a regular basis, everyone seems to remember him getting run through the boards by Barbashev and thus equating that to he can’t hang.. but come on.. this is a top 4 defenseman that’s had votes for Norris in years prior and is locked in until ‘27, Avs are not “cash-strapped” they have 3.9 mil left this year and EJ 6mil and comphers 3.5 mil will come off the books next summer, plenty of room for Mack’s deal with others included. I do like the idea of a Girard trade for a 2C but I don’t know if Dvorak is that fit


You cant believe they wont have cap problems in 2023, look what happened in Vegas and Columbus. Maxpac and bjorkstrand were given away. Albeit top4 D are more valuable than a scoring winger but the chickens are coming home to roost if you can get any significant assets in a cap crunch, you have to do it! McDonagh went nothing as well. We are finally seeing cap space weaponized after years of talk with teams for some reason helping other cap strapped teams ie Chicago/TB. Girard is a piece they can trade for positive value, other assets they'll need to pay to move!

The hardest thing to do for a GM is to be patient when their jobs are on the line year to year but they seem to be learning. The cap isnt going up for another few years after the debt the players owe the owners.
28 juill. 2022 à 14 h 54
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Quoting: Meeqs
You need to decide if WPG is competing still or rebuilding. If they are competing then assets like Dvorak make sense but not prospects and picks. Vice versa if they are rebuilding. You need to figure out the other teams needs and make a deal that helps both sides accomplish what they want. Even if lets say Dvorak + 1st isn't too far off from what a rental usually would be you could likely find something better.

Same problem with the 2nd deal. Colorado is in win now mode. Prospects and Picks are useless to them. While Girard makes all the sense in the world for MTL at this point, they don't really have anything that makes sense for Colorado. "They need cap space" isn't a real argument imo. It can show why a player might be available but the trade still needs to make sense


Contenders trading away assets for picks to make cap space is a thing. TDA to Philly for picks. Those picks can be used as currency not necessarily as draft tickets. Or they can use that cap space to accumulate more assets ie Burns/Maxpac. Ppl need to learn that cap space is an asset. Look no further than the McDonagh trade to Nashville. Girard wont be going for multiple 1sts if the Avs are strapped with cap hits. He'll be sold low!
28 juill. 2022 à 15 h 1
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That’s not a real offer for Girard, I mean ffs you got a 1st 4th and Smillanic for the traffic pylon Chiarot. COL isn’t giving away a 24yr old puck moving dman that is on a sweet contract for the next 5 seasons. In addition Toews is gone in 2 years because there is zero chance they can afford him. The only way to get Girard from COL is to bowl them over with an offer this isn’t even a fair offer it’s a sweet heart deal that totally favors MTL. Easy no every day.


You cant compare those trades in a vaccum. The TDL isnt a comparable. Chiarot went for more than Burns/Petry combined. Cap space being the asset. Girard has a long term deal just like Petry/Burns.
Chiarot was a UFA at 50% retained, there is the asset, the lack of cap space needed to put Chiarot in the your lineup. Same reason Brandon Hagel went for two 1sts. You need to apply the cap.
28 juill. 2022 à 17 h 59
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You cant believe they wont have cap problems in 2023, look what happened in Vegas and Columbus. Maxpac and bjorkstrand were given away. Albeit top4 D are more valuable than a scoring winger but the chickens are coming home to roost if you can get any significant assets in a cap crunch, you have to do it! McDonagh went nothing as well. We are finally seeing cap space weaponized after years of talk with teams for some reason helping other cap strapped teams ie Chicago/TB. Girard is a piece they can trade for positive value, other assets they'll need to pay to move!

The hardest thing to do for a GM is to be patient when their jobs are on the line year to year but they seem to be learning. The cap isnt going up for another few years after the debt the players owe the owners.


Lol if you say so.. Koskinen the great…
28 juill. 2022 à 18 h 7
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Lol if you say so.. Koskinen the great…


You seem like you have might have something intelligent to say
 
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