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Créé par: Wolverrobert

Équipe: 2022-23 Red Wings de Detroit

Date de création initiale: 14 juin 2022

Publié: 14 juin 2022

Mode - plafond salarial: Basique

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Does two 2nds plus a cap dump in Scandella get us one year of Barbashev? If not, what is the add. Probably unwilling to move a first round pick. The Blues and Red Wings have made a lot of deals in recent years. We need a center. A one-year tryout and hope to re-sign would be good. If it isn't a fit, we move him at the deadline. He is still young and had an amazing year.

Could probably add a B prospect to either trade if it makes it more palatable.

Otherwise, the concept of the Vegas trade is that Hague is the cost of dumping Dadonov.

This is not a competitive team, but adds some young pieces in the hopes of continuing to progress.

Signatures de joueurs autonomes

RFA	ANS	CAP HIT
Zadina, Filip	2	1 750 000 $
Walman, Jake	2	1 000 000 $
Hague, Nicolas	2	3 600 000 $

UFA		ANS	CAP HIT
Hellberg, Magnus		1	800 000 $

Transactions

DET

STL

Choix de 2e ronde en 2022 (WSH)
Choix de 2e ronde en 2023 (STL)

DET

Dadonov, Evgeni
Hague, Nicolas [Droits de RFA]

VGK

Choix de 4e ronde en 2022 (VGK)

Rachats de contrats

Justin Abdelkader: 2 305 556 $
Frans Nielsen: 500 000 $

Transactions impliquant une retenue de salaire

Richard Pánik: 1 375 000 $ (50%)

Repêchage	1e ronde	2e ronde	3e ronde	4e ronde	5e ronde	6e ronde	7e ronde
2022
2023
2024

FORMATION

VUE À LONG TERME

INTÉGRÉ

TEXTE INTÉGRÉ

TAILLE DE LA FORMATION	PLAFOND SALARIAL	CAP HIT	EXCÉDENTS	BONIS	ESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
24	82 500 000 $	58 898 056 $	0 $	3 775 000 $	23 601 944 $

Ailier gauche	Centre	Ailier droit
Vrána, Jakub 2 625 000 $2 625 000 $ AG UFA - 2	Larkin, Dylan 6 100 000 $6 100 000 $ C NTC UFA - 1	Raymond, Lucas 925 000 $925 000 $ (2 500 000 $$2M) AD, AG RFA - 2
Bertuzzi, Tyler 2 375 000 $2 375 000 $ AG, AD UFA - 1	Barbashev, Ivan 2 250 000 $2 250 000 $ AG, AD UFA - 1	Zadina, Filip 1 750 000 $1 750 000 $ AD, AG RFA - 3
Dadonov, Evgeni 2 500 000 $2 500 000 $ AD, AG M-NTC UFA - 1	Suter, Pius 3 250 000 $3 250 000 $ C, AG UFA - 1	Berggren, Jonatan 925 000 $925 000 $ AD, AG RFA - 2
Rasmussen, Michael 1 460 000 $1 460 000 $ AG, C UFA - 2	Veleno, Joseph 894 167 $894 167 $ (425 000 $$425K) C RFA - 1	Sundqvist, Oskar 2 750 000 $2 750 000 $ AD, C UFA - 1
		Erne, Adam 2 100 000 $2 100 000 $ AG, AD UFA - 1

Défenseur gaucher	Défenseur droitier	Gardien de but
Hague, Nicolas 3 600 000 $3 600 000 $ DG RFA - 3	Seider, Moritz 863 333 $863 333 $ (850 000 $$850K) DD RFA - 2	Nedeljkovic, Alex 3 000 000 $3 000 000 $ G UFA - 1
Scandella, Marco 3 275 000 $3 275 000 $ DG M-NTC UFA - 2	Hronek, Filip 4 400 000 $4 400 000 $ DD RFA - 2
Edvinsson, Simon 925 000 $925 000 $ DG RFA - 4	Lindström, Gustav 850 000 $850 000 $ DD RFA - 1	Hellberg, Magnus 800 000 $800 000 $ G UFA - 1

Laissés de côté	Liste des blessés (IR)	Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
Walman, Jake 1 000 000 $1 000 000 $ DG UFA - 1	Fabbri, Robby 4 000 000 $4 000 000 $ AG UFA - 3
Oesterle, Jordan 1 350 000 $1 350 000 $ DG/DD UFA - 1
Smith, Givani 750 000 $750 000 $ AG, AD UFA - 1

14 juin 2022 à 15 h 58

TMarch

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Barbashev with a 23% shooting percentage? That's a massive amount of luck, not player growth. He also has a 39% FO Win percentage, one of the worse in the league. For reference, Pius Suter won 49.5% of his draws, at 3x the number of chances as Barbashev.

With figures like that, he wouldn't be worth a 4th round pick, let alone (2) 2nds. He's barely a 4th line C, let alone a 2nd line C.

14 juin 2022 à 16 h 0

STLBlues17

Sam

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I think the blues would do that

14 juin 2022 à 16 h 16

jwg314

STL

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Blues accept. I think both would be good fits for DET as well.

14 juin 2022 à 16 h 42

tstrauss16

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Quoting: TMarch

Regardless of underlying stats the man put up 60 points. You don’t put up 60 points with luck. If you’re worried about his FO% put him on the wing. The only reason Barbashev is a 4th line player is because he is on STL which is arguably the most deep forward core in the league. He’d slot in 3rd on DET in points. So valuing him at 4th round pick doesn’t make sense.

14 juin 2022 à 16 h 56

mokumboi

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Quoting: TMarch

Ehh what are you on about? Not only has he had two other seasons with higher shooting percentages, but this was also his first time with anything more than fourth line checking duties with 13 minutes of night. This was a pure case of development curve, plus he plays both ends of special teams and hit everything that moves like it owes him money. You're dreaming if you think he's not even worth a 4th.

xercuses a aimé ceci.

14 juin 2022 à 16 h 58

mokumboi

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Quoting: STLBlues17

I think the blues would do that

Mmm maybe, but probably only if they have a wicked deal lined up that is dependent on the cap space gained. Those are pretty low 2nds.

xercuses a aimé ceci.

14 juin 2022 à 17 h 19

xercuses

Xercuses

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Quoting: mokumboi

Mmm maybe, but probably only if they have a wicked deal lined up that is dependent on the cap space gained. Those are pretty low 2nds.

That’s stil 5+ mil in Cap so it could be used to get a LD

14 juin 2022 à 17 h 53

mokumboi

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Quoting: xercuses

That’s stil 5+ mil in Cap so it could be used to get a LD

Gotta replace Barby, too. But more to the point, I like is set to be better than could be. And he better be worth the money. No Big Legend Bens.

xercuses a aimé ceci.

14 juin 2022 à 18 h 36

xercuses

Xercuses

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Quoting: mokumboi

Gotta replace Barby, too. But more to the point, I like is set to be better than could be. And he better be worth the money. No Big Legend Bens.

Not even your favorite Zdeno Chara

15 juin 2022 à 1 h 6

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Billy12Bob

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Quoting: mokumboi

He's also UFA after next season.

15 juin 2022 à 1 h 7

#11

Billy12Bob

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Detroit declines the Blues trade. Barbashev is a rental and Scandella a cap dump.

15 juin 2022 à 8 h 50

#12

mokumboi

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Quoting: Billy12Bob

He's also UFA after next season.

Yeeeeah, aaand?

15 juin 2022 à 8 h 58

#13

Billy12Bob

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Quoting: mokumboi

Yeeeeah, aaand?

The price for a rental is lower than for someone with term. If you're going to list every little thing that raises his value you should also list the big fat reason that lowers it.

15 juin 2022 à 9 h 24

#14

mokumboi

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Quoting: Billy12Bob

The price for a rental is lower than for someone with term. If you're going to list every little thing that raises his value you should also list the big fat reason that lowers it.

Dude, I was replying to someone who claimed that his season was a product of big luck and not natural development with a main point that he wasn't even worth a 4th. And this is from a guy whose team just got a 2nd, Sunny and Walman for two months of Leddy. So the whole thing was nonsense, and the fact that he's got one season left doesn't change that.

15 juin 2022 à 13 h 20

#15

rja40

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Blues consider this, but I'd argue it depends on how confident the brass is in one of our minor league centers to absorb a fraction of Barby's 60 points.

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