I don't think Toronto will trade Kines, they need good players on ELCs to fill out their roster over the next 3-4 years. Also Murphy is probably too expensive for them to take on.

I completely agree that if Cat is traded it should be scorched earth. I think that might be what Davidson is hoping for. If he can find the right package for Cat, he might get Kane to waive and probably Toews too.

Maybe, but Toronto's window is now and Knies isn't ready yet. Moving out some cap with Holl and Mrazek will obviously help. Maybe Hawks retain $1M on Murphy, but Murphy would solidify their right side; Brodie and Murphy is pretty solid, especially bringing the physical element around the net. The bigger question for Toronto is goalie and what the cost is there...once that is decided, if there is room I could see them doing this type of trade all day long.

That leafs trade is not close. I like Murphy, but I don't think he gets you that good of a prospect. I wouldn't do Knies for Cat, and I love that guy.

Yeah, it's going to be sad if Cat gets traded because a) that means Kane and Toews are gone and hate to see Kane especially gone; b) means we are really going to suck for a few years and not even worth watching...I mean look at the roster here...has to be the worst in the league

I agree not Murphy for Knies straight up, but dumping Mrazek and Holl, Mrazak takes a 2nd to move and Holl is not worth anything to the Hawks at least, is what may make it worth it.

Knies for Cat...c'mon lol...knies is a very good prospect but over an elite 24 year old NHL player...wow that's a HUGE stretch

Their window is over the next 2 to 3 years while they have Mathews and Marner signed and before Tavares completely falls off a cliff. I think they will have other options for Mrazek and Holl that doesn't cost them known young cheap talent. I also don't think Murphy pushes them over the edge so its just too high of a price to pay. This is coming from a Sabres fan who would love nothing more than to watch Toronto get bounced again in the first round.

Well, CHI is still gonna have to hit the cap floor. So there will be minor improvements in the form of temporary players. And in the meantime we get to watch all the other stuff unfold outside of the actual games. Hopefully we can see another CHI championship. And honestly, if Kane can look past a tear down and still wants to stick around, I would be more than happy to have him. But if he wants to turn and run when the dominos start falling, I hope he can make a decision while we can still recoup something for him. I don't necessarily believe in Karma but CHI kind of deserves to suck for a while after everything that happened.

Agree on their window but doubtful knies fits that window realistically. He probably is going to take another year of development and another to adjust to the NHL. Maybe there is more here to throw in from the Hawks side or maybe it's just Mrazek and Hawks take a 2nd and move Murphy elsewhere.

I'm pretty sure all this love for Knies is overblown. He is certainly a high end prospect and has a good shot at becoming a top 6 player in the NHL some day. But the insane value TOR seems to place on him is a head scratcher.

The sad part of that last statement is it comes at the expense of fans and players like Kane...didn't have to be that way but besides the front office screwing up, also had a GM the last 5 years that screwed this team over.

Agree, diehard fans all think their prospects are locks for being franchise level or elite and often times are dissapointed down the road. Knies is a top 6 guy I believe, but franchise level? There's more cases then not of prospects never hitting their projected ceilings and Knies isn't projected as a franchise level prospect despite being a good prospect no doubt

Exactly. If he would have just gotten his head out of his ass and kept Panarin and did a quick retool/rebuild after that last cup, and stopped expending all our assets on dumb "win now" moves, we would be fine right now.

Right? Like, I like Dach and Reichel and I wouldn't want to move them right now for just anything. But that doesn't mean I think they are some dynamo players with insane value. Knies hasn't even played professional hockey yet, relax. haha

If Mrazek does cost a 2nd, then you pay a 2nd. You don't add him to a big trade that requires you to up the level of prospect. I don't think a Murphy is worth that.

Cat definitely worth Knies. But I don't think teams should trade A prospects unless it fits. The issue with Cat is his contract is up. If this was 2 yrs ago, I think it starts with knies and a 1st. Now the leafs have to pay him. I don't know his qualifying, but I imagine it's high. It's probably $9million per to lock him in. Which is fine, but Leafs have Matthews UFA coming up. This also means you have to trade Nylander. For the leafs to give up Knies they have to be better this year and next. That's the window. If it costs you Nylander you are only a bit better.

See. that makes sense. But some people talk about Knies as if he is already better than half the players in the NHL. And it's like... Ok hold on. there is a little something called nuance. hahah

Prospects like him will always mean more to the Leafs. He's a big forward whose game probably means more to the Leafs because he offers something a ton of their players/prospects don't. He's also probably relatively close to coming up. That means cheap cap hit. Most of all he's size and skill. Those prospects are always worth more to every team that has them. But I agree that the most you can hope for is top6 forward.

Hawks fans love Cat. I look at it this way. Alex has yet to play in the playoffs. If the Hawks are in the rebuilding process. Let this kid go to a team like the Devils and get there sooner. Not when he's in his late 20.

For sure. I definitely get all of the appeal of Knies. I think I might have been the first CHI fan to ask for him in trade earlier this year after some research into TOR's pipeline. But I still think the level of snap back about him is unwarranted.

Sure. But you gotta pay for him. And it doesn't seem like many NJD fans want to pay the price. At least not some of the more vocal NJD fans.

I'm in the minority probably. I see alot of value in DeBrincat. I'm a Devils fan but I've been a Hawks fan as well. I have 2 DeBrincat jerseys and shrts. So yeah I'm a little biased but he's something I think we could definitely use. A #1 winger for Hughes or Hischier to take some pressure off Bratt.

Easiest no ever from the Rangers. No thanks to a 1 year Kane rental.

For sure. And I think a lot of people mistake him for a pure offensive forward because of his offensive numbers and size. But that little f@$#er can play some defense. His 2 way game seems to get better and better every season too.

Yeah teams always overvalue the players for their teams more. I fully admit I am usually unreasonable in a Nylander trade. It can be even more true for prospects. I think it's an early attachment to a player and seeing their progression. It's also theoretically uncapped potential. Of course most players like Knies just turn into middle of the lineup guys. But until that happens, you can always imagine so much more.

Yeah, I see the point but a rebuild isn't or doesn't have to be a linear process. We could get it done in 3 years instead of 5 or some teams in a perpetual rebuild. It's such a unknown quantity to say rebuild.