If Bergevin Were Still In Charge

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Créé par: jonh514

Équipe: 2022-23 Canadiens de Montréal

Date de création initiale: 7 mai 2022

Publié: 7 mai 2022

Mode - plafond salarial: Basique

Description

I don't think there is a single person out there that still believes Bergevin was a good GM. That being said, I wanted to play around with what this team would look like going into 2022-23 because he probably would have doubled down and made things even worse.

The concept:

I am going to roll back the 3 big trades that Hughes made... because Bergevin never believed in trading top 6 forwards or top 4 defensemen.
I am going to assume that Bergevin would be too arrogant to admit the team's underperformance was not an isolated incident. He would plan to make the playoffs next season.
I am going to make the offseason trades that I honestly believe he would make this offseason to further his goal of making the playoffs next season and his agenda of his preferred type of players.
I am going to resign players I believe he would have resigned.
I am going to assume that player performances that came through after the coaching change remained constant. So Caufield/Suzuki/Romanov/Petry all gained value in the second half of the year.
I am trading Harris to Boston for nothing as ZERO chance he signed with Bergevin.
I am not signing Rem Pitlick, because he would not have picked him up on waivers.

Are we having fun yet?!

Signatures de joueurs autonomes

RFA	ANS	CAP HIT
Romanov, Alexander	2	2 500 000 $
Dubois, Pierre-Luc	8	7 875 000 $
Lehkonen, Artturi	3	3 000 000 $
Schueneman, Corey	3	1 000 000 $

UFA		ANS	CAP HIT
Chiarot, Ben		6	5 500 000 $
Wideman, Chris		2	1 000 000 $

Transactions

MTL

Toffoli, Tyler

Détails additionnels:

Undoing the Toffoli trade

CGY

Heineman, Emil
Choix de 1e ronde en 2022 (CGY)
Choix de 5e ronde en 2023 (CGY)

Détails additionnels:

*Tyler Pitlick ignored as his UFA contract expired

MTL

Lehkonen, Artturi [Droits de RFA]

Détails additionnels:

Undoing Lehkonen Trade

COL

Barron, Justin
Choix de 2e ronde en 2024 (COL)

MTL

Undoing Chiarot Trade
*Assumes he was signed leading up to the TDL last season

FLA

Smilanic, Ty [Liste de réserve]
Choix de 4e ronde en 2022 (NYR)
Choix de 1e ronde en 2023 (FLA)

MTL

Lafrenière, Alexis

Détails additionnels:

First big trade of the offseason. Big, French Canadian, Overrated. He cannot pass that up.

NYR

Caufield, Cole

MTL

Assumption is he would have signed with Boston

BOS

Harris, Jordan

MTL

Dubois, Pierre-Luc [Droits de RFA]
Choix de 1e ronde en 2022 (WPG)

WPG

Armia, Joel
Dvorak, Christian
Choix de 1e ronde en 2022 (MTL)
Choix de 2e ronde en 2022 (EDM)

Détails additionnels:

1st Overall Pick
Armia is a cap dump to allow them to sign Dubois

MTL

Choix de 2e ronde en 2022 (DAL)

DAL

Petry, Jeff

Détails additionnels:

Accommodating Unrevoked Trade Request

MTL

Future Considerations

SEA

Hoffman, Mike
Choix de 3e ronde en 2022 (CAR)

Détails additionnels:

Cap Relief

Rachats de contrats

Karl Alzner: 833 333 $

Enfoui

Paul Byron: 2 275 000 $ (3 400 000 $)

Repêchage	1e ronde	2e ronde	3e ronde	4e ronde	5e ronde	6e ronde	7e ronde
2022
2023
2024

FORMATION

VUE À LONG TERME

INTÉGRÉ

TEXTE INTÉGRÉ

TAILLE DE LA FORMATION	PLAFOND SALARIAL	CAP HIT	EXCÉDENTS	BONIS	ESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
20	82 500 000 $	75 446 666 $	1 132 500 $	2 850 000 $	7 053 334 $

Ailier gauche	Centre	Ailier droit
Lafrenière, Alexis 925 000 $925 000 $ (2 850 000 $$3M) AG, AD RFA - 1	Dubois, Pierre-Luc 7 875 000 $7 875 000 $ C UFA - 1	Toffoli, Tyler 2 125 000 $2 125 000 $ AD, AG UFA - 2
Drouin, Jonathan 5 500 000 $5 500 000 $ AG, AD M-NTC UFA - 1	Suzuki, Nick 7 875 000 $7 875 000 $ C UFA - 8	Anderson, Josh 5 500 000 $5 500 000 $ AD, AG M-NTC UFA - 5
Lehkonen, Artturi 3 000 000 $3 000 000 $ AG, AD UFA - 5	Evans, Jake 1 700 000 $1 700 000 $ C UFA - 3	Gallagher, Brendan 6 500 000 $6 500 000 $ AD, AG M-NTC, NMC UFA - 5
Harvey-Pinard, Rafaël 825 000 $825 000 $ AG, AD RFA - 1	Poehling, Ryan 750 000 $750 000 $ C, AG UFA - 1	Ylönen, Jesse 880 833 $880 833 $ AD, AG RFA - 1

Défenseur gaucher	Défenseur droitier	Gardien de but
Chiarot, Ben 5 500 000 $5 500 000 $ DG/DD UFA - 4	Savard, David 3 500 000 $3 500 000 $ DD UFA - 3	Price, Carey 10 500 000 $10 500 000 $ G NMC UFA - 4
Edmundson, Joel 875 000 $875 000 $ DG/DD M-NTC UFA - 2	Wideman, Chris 1 000 000 $1 000 000 $ DD UFA - 2	Allen, Jake 2 875 000 $2 875 000 $ G UFA - 1
	Schueneman, Corey 1 000 000 $1 000 000 $ DG/DD UFA - 1
Romanov, Alexander 2 500 000 $2 500 000 $ DG RFA - 3

Laissés de côté	Liste des blessés (IR)	Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
		Weber, Shea 7 857 143 $7 857 143 $ DD UFA - 4

7 mai 2022 à 14 h 2

Poehling

Rejoint: déc. 2018

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Ok you hate Bergevin, but outside the 2017 offseason and 2021 offseason, he did a good job…
Chiarot Lehkonen Toffoli would have stayed, sure
But Dvorak wouldn’t have been traded
That defense is horrible, he would never have went with that

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7 mai 2022 à 14 h 6

drambui

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what makes a good GM is the question. i dont think bergevin was great but i cant say he was bad. he made more good trafes than bad ones for sure. made some good ufa signing that paid off well most of the time. but was very bad at drafting. and thencin his last year gave so.many bad contract that it handcuffed this team for the futures. i believe he was an avergage GM but the moves he made in the last year were all pretty much just bad.

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7 mai 2022 à 14 h 16

jonh514

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Quoting: Poehling

I don't hate Bergevin, but I DO disagree with your premise that he did a good job. He made a few great trades and a few really bad ones. Ultimately he was terrible at evaluating amateur and pro talent and how it relates to the changing state of the game.

These are his 1st round draft picks in all his seasons as GM:

Galchenyuk - Disaster Draft #1
McCarron - Failed Development Project #1
Scherbak - Failed Development Project #2
Juulsen - Injuries derailed what could have been a decent career
Sergachev - Great Draft #1 - Traded for Drouin (Disaster Trade #1)
Poehling - Jury's still out, but very close to Failed Development Project #3
Kotkaniemi - Disaster Draft #2
Caufield - Great draft #2
Guhle - Great draft #3
Mailloux - Disaster Draft #3

Price contract
Gallagher contract
Hoffman contract
Armia contract
Drouin trade/contract

I don't hate the person. But I think he was a bad GM, yeah.

7 mai 2022 à 14 h 58

Poehling

Rejoint: déc. 2018

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Quoting: jonh514

He has nothing to do with Galchenyuk, he wanted Teravainen but he just became the GM and the scouts were all saying Galchenyuk. All the draft pick aren’t on him. You can’t juge Mailloux, he’s been really good for London this year. Drouin vs Sergachev, Alzner in, Markov out, Radulov out, all the 2017 offseason. Disaster. Price contrat is fine, he earned it and he is still a good goaltender (not 3 of the last 5 start tho). He had no choice, we didn’t have a Demko coming in like Vancouver. Gallagher contract, disaster right from the start
Armia, disaster
Byron 2nd contract, disaster
Hoffman, bad signing
Letting Kotkaniemi go, that’s all 2021 offseason
Not signing Danault was a good move tho, but not giving KK the 2 years 2.8M he was asking is dump. After our run, he should have start a rebuilt with down the middle Suzuki Kotkaniemi Evans Poehling

7 mai 2022 à 15 h 20

jonh514

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Quoting: Poehling

When you are the boss... Everything that happens is on you.

If he would have fired Timmins day 1 & traded Price & Gallagher in their contract years and signed Danault... Imagine where we would be?

7 mai 2022 à 16 h 28

Poehling

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Quoting: jonh514

When you are the boss... Everything that happens is on you.

If he would have fired Timmins day 1 & traded Price & Gallagher in their contract years and signed Danault... Imagine where we would be?

We wouldn’t have went to the SCF if we would have traded Price and Gallagher on his contract year

7 mai 2022 à 16 h 33

jonh514

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Quoting: Poehling

We wouldn’t have went to the SCF if we would have traded Price and Gallagher on his contract year

That's subjective. Many teams that win the cup win with a 5-7M/year goalie.

We could have signed a different Goalie as a UFA and used the trade return for Price... Which would have been enormous, to better all other positions.

Gallagher was not a factor in the playoff run, but I still believe we would have gotten a 1st and a prospect for him at that time. Price would have yielded 2 x 1st a top prospect and a roster player.

Who knows where we would be today...

7 mai 2022 à 17 h 25

Poehling

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Quoting: jonh514

The best offer MTL ever received for Carey Price @ 6.5M was the Blues with Robert Thomas + Jake Allen (wasn’t good then) + 2nd RD pick … Bergevin wanted Robert Thomas + Carter Hutton + 1st Rd pick. So Price didn’t have that much value (we didn’t know back then Thomas would be this good tho)

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