19 déc. 2018
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<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>jonh514</b></div><div>Players are typically a 1,2, or 3 on a line. Mack is #1, Rantanen #2, and Lehkonen #3. That means it's his job to hang back and be in the right place, do some of the dirty work, to empower the others to drive offence without worrying about the defence on that play. The Habs failed Lehks by not playing him with a proper #1 or #2. He played on lines where no one was responsible to drive the offence. He's not the only one, look at Danault. The Habs have been very poor at player evaluations at the Pro level for many many years. Lehkonen/Danault's offensive production was a by-product of that.
It's all good though, I'm happy the way things are shaping up, but clearly we should have signed Lehkonen and traded Armia in 2020. Bergevin was just so bad at evaluating his players.</div></div>
What ? Danault played 1C with Pacioretty and the best players
Lehkonen played with Suzuki & Caufield last year
In the playoffs of course you put Danault & Lehkonen together, who cares if they don’t score, other teams top line don’t either
Look at our PK without Lehky and Danault, it’s horrible
But we made the good move by not signing Danault and trading Lehkonen. After our Cup run, we should have let every UFA go and start a rebuilt. But Bergevin tried to replace Price Weber Danault Tatar in one offseason lmao
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>KMMHL2012</b></div><div>The whole nature of an ACGM is a hypothetical, I can hypothetically find some teams, and you can hypothetically disagree, so no point beating a dead horse.
The other part is, I don't care what a fan base thinks, it's what a GM thinks that matters.
Historically GM's have made some very questionable moves, in the desperation to take the next step in the playoffs, or to save their own jobs.
Washington traded a 1st round pick in 2013 for a 31 year old Erat, who had 21 points in 36 games, Drouin had 20 in 34 last year.... not saying Drouin is worth a 1st, but GM's do stupid things come TDL time.</div></div>
You keep bringing the points with Drouin, but Drouin can’t hit, doesn’t go in corners, can’t play defense, doesn’t go in front of the net, his shot is super bad (due to his wrist injury) and he can’t stay healthy. At this point he is a PP specialist and still he can’t make a zone entry
That’s how scouts views Drouin
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>KMMHL2012</b></div><div>Stop bringing up Hoffman, I've never even suggested it, nor has the OP.
You're the one bringing him up, stay on topic dude.
Drouin had 1 playoff run with Montreal (they've only made the playoffs twice since he's been with the team), 7 points in 10 games, probably says more for how bad Montreal has been, and how Price covered that up.
Again, as I've referred to, his mental game is a risk, the question is, will a team take that risk, I think so, because right now in the west you have Colorado-Edmonton-Calgary running the show, the remaining 5 playoff teams can use all the help they can get.
The east is running with Tampa, Carolina and Florida....
So, would a Minnesota be willing to take that chance? the Rangers? Pittsburgh?.... I don't know, but I think those teams will be buyers, and sellers markets almost always incite an over payment or people taking risks to try to put themselves over the top, some work out, some don't.</div></div>
Try to find a fan base welling to take on Drouin without a sweetener
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>KMMHL2012</b></div><div>by your logic Kane and Toews showed they can help a team to tank too, therefore they're really bad right now.
losing your best goalie and your best defenseman, then getting the most man games lost in the NHL made for a perfect storm of garbage last season, so gauging a players capability based on that is ridiculous, and even at that, Dadonov wasn't with Montreal.... and Drouin still put up 20 points in 34 games, a 50 point pace on said dumpster fire team.
Dadonov up until last season, was still a 45 point depth forward, with playmaking ability, and at $2.5M with salary retention is likely a better contract or option than most teams have at that same salary.
Same applies to Drouin (though risk with mental issues are present).
I never mentioned Hoffman, he was a disaster before being signed, demonstrated in Florida that he was one dimensional and needed a team to carry him.
The question isn't "are they first line players" or "are they worth $5M"... the question is "can they make a team better respective to fitting them under a tight cap".... and with salary retention, on Dadonov and Drouin, the answer is most likely a yes, you're almost acting like they're 12 point guys through a regular season, and again, at $2.5M what would you expect, Foegele? Namestnikov? Engvall? Dickinson? arguably all worse at similar cap hits.
Edit: Jfresh war% for Dadonov last season was 77%, with his defence being at a career high.</div></div>
Drouin is dog****, he’s been bad the last 5 years, no matter his PPG. Teams rather have guys like Hagel Lehkonen Foegele Goodrow Coleman then some guys like Hoffman Drouin Dadonov
They are not what you are looking for to go deep in a playoff run
Dadonov might bring something half retained but no one wants Hoffman and his contract
Drouin just isn’t made for the playoffs
<div class="quote"><div class="quote_t">Quoting: <b>KMMHL2012</b></div><div>Monahan cost, because Calgary had to clear his cap to sign Kadri, so, they had to pay to get rid of him, otherwise they would be penalized.
Montreal doesn't need to get rid of these two to be cap compliant, so, there is no reason to sweeten the deal
While I don't think they have 3rd pick values at the moment, with salary retention to help a team out by giving them a roster player that would be likely contributing above their respective $2.5M cap hits, they're likely getting a 5th or 6th now, and if they play well, maybe more at the TDL</div></div>
Drouin, Dadonov & Hoffman showed they can help a team to tank, not the other way around. They are really bad right now, they have to turn their game around big time for a team to consider them helping