I do not like the market this year. The biggest positions of need seem to be 1RW and 2C, neither of which will come cheap or have many options available. A LHD grouping of Grzelcyk, Reilly, and Forbort could be upgraded, but if you look at the defensive metrics for all three of those players, they have all been very effective.

If I told you the B's could get Connor Garland and Justin Braun for say Jake DeBrusk, a second or third rounder, and another couple mid-round picks or B-level prospects, would you still stand pat? I agree that now doesn't appear to be the time to solve the long-term holes at center and LD1. But I think replacing Clifton at RD3 and swapping out DeBrusk at RW1 would be a huge boost. Maybe add one additional depth player for cheap and I would call that a great deadline.

If you could get Garland without giving up a 1st round pick I'd be shocked. DeBrusk would not be totally ideal for VAN as the reason for moving Garland would be to clear Cap. DeBrusk will likely ask for similar money that Garland is being paid.

I'm not saying in the next 5 years the Bruins are going to need to rebuild, I'm talking about 10 years+ in the future where guys like Lysell, Lohrei and the 2023 1st round pick would otherwise be in their prime and keep this team competitive, but you want to move them NOW. If the Bruins keep moving all of their top prospects they're going to be a mediocre team not winning jack all for yearssss

What would you be willing to give up for Copp? I agree about the in-house options the Bruins have at center. Beecher, Studnicka, Frederic, and Harrison are most likely not going to make that leap. I would wait until draft day to trade the first to either move up in the draft to take a center, or use that capital to get a legit top 6 guy. Personally, if he's even available, I like Scheifele. Though, he may not be a perfect fit, I could definitely see him playing between Marchand and Lysell, or Hall and Pasta. I don't know what it would take, but the starting point would be DeBrusk and a first.

Both of these things can be true. I don't agree at all that the Bruins are destined for a rebuild but in a salary cap league you also need to draft and develop and Lysell looks like a potential star and Lohrei a lock as a top-four defenseman at a position of need. You don't move either for a rental and I don't think you move Lysell at all. If Lohrei is going, a long-term top-pair LD a la Chychrun needs to be coming back and the rest of the package can't be too extreme. The 2023 first also needs to be reserved for a long-term add.

As for the idea that the B's should stand pat, I completely disagree. The market will settle closer to the deadline and if high prices stick for term players, so be it. There are only so many runs left with Bergeron. Either find some defensive depth and top-six forward to rent for a good price or swing for the fences with a long-term add at LD1, RW1, or C2. Don't be stupid with your most valuable pieces but don't protect them on principal alone. Most importantly, don't do nothing.

The bruins have a 24 year old franchise defensemen, a 25 year old number 2 D locked up for 6 years, a 23 year old goalie that last time i checked led the league in GAA, a 25 year old who has led the league in goals, and a top five player in hte NHL, who while 33, doesn’t really appear to be slowing down.

What on earth are you talking about?

If you could get Garland without giving up a 1st round pick I'd be shocked. DeBrusk would not be totally ideal for VAN as the reason for moving Garland would be to clear Cap. DeBrusk will likely ask for similar money that Garland is being paid.

In 10+ years lohrei and lysell will be out of their prime.

Who the hell cares about 10+ years from now?

Stop thinking about lysell as a guy thats around the corner from teh NHL. Sure, it could happen. It’s far more likely that he’s 3 years away from the NHL, if he gets there. That’s just the nature of all prospects.

For copp, 2nd, a prospect like studnicka, and maybe a kicker.

disagree, i think debrusk realizes he isnt getting a 1 year 4.41m deal, garland is near 5. ide expect debrusk takes a 2-3 year like 3.75m extension.

disagree, i think debrusk realizes he isnt getting a 1 year 4.41m deal, garland is near 5. ide expect debrusk takes a 2-3 year like 3.75m extension.

I still don't see how trading him for Garland without a first is possible.

It was just an example. I don't think Lysell makes the jump next year.

I don't see WPG selling Copp for that package.

at 29 lysell (not a physical player) is going to be out of his prime? i dont think so.

if you dont have any centers it really doesnt matter, and i love carlo but hes looked different since that wilson concussion.

He’s not going to get a first. It’s going to be a 2nd+. I think studnicka is a good fit because he’s ready to play, and winnipeg looks like they should be doing a re-tool on the fly.

In 10+ years lohrei and lysell will be out of their prime.

Who the hell cares about 10+ years from now?

I beg to differ. I can already see all the outrage from fans if Sweeney deals Lysell, without winning a cup in the coming years, and he becomes a superstar. Everyone will be looking back in 10 years going how tf does Sweeney trade this guy he must have gone mental.

But we can agree to disagree

I think most bruins fans with a brain already think Sweeney is a dope. Standing pat would make me think he just doesn’t understand the situation

If you could get Garland without giving up a 1st round pick I'd be shocked. DeBrusk would not be totally ideal for VAN as the reason for moving Garland would be to clear Cap. DeBrusk will likely ask for similar money that Garland is being paid.

DeBrusk and Garland are more similar than you might think. I agree that a trade would be more likely though if DeBrusk agrees to an extension below his QO first, which it sounds like he is willing to do.

disagree, i think debrusk realizes he isnt getting a 1 year 4.41m deal, garland is near 5. ide expect debrusk takes a 2-3 year like 3.75m extension.