I think Martinez would be a better add than Pettersson

Martinez currently has nerve problems due to the laceration of his face that have held him out all season and would be an ongoing concern for any team acquiring him.

If he’s healthy sure.

Wasn’t aware of all of that. Changes my view

I was thinking about Monahan the other day. I would be in favour of this, we really need a 2C, and I think it's pretty obvious that Monahan needs a fresh start and has fallen down the Flames depth chart despite them having a very good season.

I'm not sure he could be had for free though, I think Calgary would still like something in return, but as a Detroit fan, I would take your proposal all day.

CGY doesn't give Mony away for free. There'd be other suitors that woudl easily pay at least a 2nd Rd Pick for him.
But... he does have a NTC and I imagine DET could be on that non-trade list of 10 teams.

Ya as disappointing Monahan has been I don't think he's a cap dump yet I think we'd have to pay a bit for him.

They can be stuck with him then. I don’t think any gm is going to shell out assets for a guy who is overpayed by about 4m dollars (going off of the athletic hockey card market value here). Cap, especially in this environment, is a premium.

Mangiapane, Tkatchuk, And Gaudreau are all staring at new contracts and Calgary is going to want to shed cap space to make it happen. I suppose a different victim could be Lucic.

Yeah his contract is about 4M more then his production value so if he’s not a dump I’m passing.

Monahan would be easier to move as he is more productive. Yes he costs more but still. Lucic also has a full NMC and a M-NTC whereas Monahan is only a M-NTC.

lol are you implying that Monahan is a cap dump? Are you also suggesting that Monahan is worth around $2M AAV?

Are you serious?

I don't see Edmonton trading for Gagner. Some fans would love it but there's just no reason to bring Sammy back.

I'd be very willing to shell out a 3rd for Monahan, and possibly a 2nd if that's what it takes. Is he overpaid? Yes, but he has also been very good not that long ago. Even if Monahan returns to a 40 pt player, he is still statistically better that what we would likely get from a 2nd/3rd. And if he returns to form, its a huge bonus. If not, its only 1 more year on his deal. We can afford it.

Pens accept

His market value is about 2.5m AAV based on Dom’s model from the athletic. You normally don’t pay 6.4m to a guy with ~0.33ppg and not much else going for them.

Cap dumps aren’t always 0 production. The value of the contract compared to the value of the on ice product matter. Mark Staal was dumped with a 5.25M contract to the Wing’s for a second and he was still serviceable, just nowhere near 5m in value.

If he’s not a dump we shouldn’t be spending assets to acquire 1 year of a UFA and help out a team in cap trouble. Cap is a premium asset and the picks could be used to get something with term. No need for a forward version of Leddy.

You're comparing 35+ year old Marc Staal to 27 year old Sean Monahan....lol case closed.

What matters isn’t the age it’s production. Both had 1 year left at large overvaluation. Monahan being 27 has nothing to do with it because he’s a ufa after next year - it’s not like he’s an asset with control.

Both were/are not remotely worth their contracts. Dumps also don’t have to be 30+. They just have to be underperforming to enough of an extent that offloading them for something shinier is preferable.

I also didn’t come up with the Monahan trade, it was reviewed as a relatively fair trade by the athletic on a recent “ who says no” article for Detroit. I think you overvalue Monahan for what he was and not what his post injury self is.

He's a UFA in 2 years and can easily be extended - the notion that the Flames will just give him up for a pick as a dump is preposterous. The guy is a 6 OA pick with history of success in the league...he's had one down year after an injury.