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Who wants a 3way

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Publié: 3 mars 2022 à 12 h 28
Plafond salarial: 81 500 000 $
Journées à la saison: 40/200 (20%)
Détermination du registraire central: Cette transaction a rempli les différents critères exigés par le registraire central de la LNH.

Logo de Coyotes de l'ArizonaCoyotes de l'Arizona

DépartStatutSalaire retenuCap hit effectifFormationSPCListe de réserveChoix 1e rd2e et 3e rd4e à 7e rdPJGAPMBA%EFF
Chychrun, JakobCoyotes de l'ArizonaLNH-920 000 $111---0000--
ArrivéeStatutSalaire retenuCap hit effectifFormationSPCListe de réserveChoix 1e rd2e et 3e rd4e à 7e rdPJGAPMBA%EFF
Studnicka, JackExempté du ballottageBruins de BostonMineures-0 $011---0000--
Lysell, FabianExempté du ballottageBruins de BostonJunior-0 $011---0000--
Choix de 1e ronde en 2022 (Logo de Bruins de BostonBOS)---100------
Choix de 1e ronde en 2023 (Logo de Panthers de la FlorideFLA)---100------
VariationEspace sous le plafond salarialFormationSPCListe de réserveChoix 1e rd2e et 3e rd4e à 7e rdPJGAPMBA%EFF
Initial6 708 349 $23446651413
Variation920 000 $-111200
Final7 628 349 $ (↑)22 (↓)45 (↑)67 (↑)7 (↑)1413000

Logo de Bruins de BostonBruins de Boston

Transaction simultanéeStatut initialNouveau statutImpact sur la masse salarialeFormationSPCListe de réserveChoix 1e rd2e et 3e rd4e à 7e rdPJGAPMBA%EFF
Frödén, JesperLNHMineures-168 500 $-1-----------
DépartStatutSalaire retenuCap hit effectifFormationSPCListe de réserveChoix 1e rd2e et 3e rd4e à 7e rdPJGAPMBA%EFF
Studnicka, JackExempté du ballottageBruins de BostonMineures-0 $011---0000--
Lysell, FabianExempté du ballottageBruins de BostonJunior-0 $011---0000--
Choix de 1e ronde en 2022 (Logo de Bruins de BostonBOS)---100------
Choix de 3e ronde en 2023 (Logo de Bruins de BostonBOS)---010------
ArrivéeStatutSalaire retenuCap hit effectifFormationSPCListe de réserveChoix 1e rd2e et 3e rd4e à 7e rdPJGAPMBA%EFF
Lundell, AntonExempté du ballottagePanthers de la FlorideLNH-185 000 $111---0000--
VariationEspace sous le plafond salarialFormationSPCListe de réserveChoix 1e rd2e et 3e rd4e à 7e rdPJGAPMBA%EFF
Initial1 007 326 $2344663611
Variation-16 500 $0-1-1-1-10
Final990 826 $ (↓)2343 (↓)65 (↓)2 (↓)5 (↓)11000

Logo de Panthers de la FloridePanthers de la Floride

La transaction a eu lieu alors que la LTIR est utilisée
Allègement provenant de la liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR): 2 700 000 $
Portion de la LTIR utilisée avant la transaction: -1 145 014 $
DépartStatutSalaire retenuCap hit effectifFormationSPCListe de réserveChoix 1e rd2e et 3e rd4e à 7e rdPJGAPMBA%EFF
Lundell, AntonExempté du ballottagePanthers de la FlorideLNH-925 000 $111---0000--
Choix de 1e ronde en 2023 (Logo de Panthers de la FlorideFLA)---100------
ArrivéeStatutSalaire retenuCap hit effectifFormationSPCListe de réserveChoix 1e rd2e et 3e rd4e à 7e rdPJGAPMBA%EFF
Chychrun, JakobCoyotes de l'ArizonaLNH-4 600 000 $111---0000--
Choix de 3e ronde en 2023 (Logo de Bruins de BostonBOS)---010------
VariationEspace sous le plafond salarialFormationSPCListe de réserveChoix 1e rd2e et 3e rd4e à 7e rdPJGAPMBA%EFF
Initial3 845 014 $2342633414
Variation-3 675 000 $000-110
Final170 014 $ (↓)2342632 (↓)5 (↑)14000
3 mars 2022 à 12 h 28
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Ok so just throwing this out there as rough idea. Pieces could be changed a little with main things going to respected teams
BOS: Lundell
ARI: Lysell, (2) first rounders
FLA: Chychrun

And yes I know this is Two divisional teams working to help each other so unlikely but hey can’t hurt to try

BOS gives up quiet a bit here but ultimately gets one of the top C prospects in the league currently, addressing their center issues while not totally destroying future

So I’m guessing ARI would want really young prospects or high picks more then NHL players with the future being so uncertain and looking like a rebuild coming in there but idk!
So ARI gets top prospect and two first for Chychrun along with studs who’s potential 2C still (don’t care what people say he’s still got potential as a great two way center and just as some can say he’s not a 2C cause he hasn’t proven it yet same can be said they he could be a 2C because he hasn’t been giving a chance to prove it yet) and at the very worst a plenty capable 3C for future but again studs could be changed for a different prospect all together maybe a D prospect or something that was more desirable. Can pretty well rule out a goalie prospect coming to ARI though as BOS isn’t willing to part with Sway and FLA isn’t parting with Knight

FLA gets there top pair LD, young and under team control for foreseeable future all cheaper then if they went to acquire him themselves. They give up a first with Lundell but get the top LHD trade target of the season with term to solidify cup contention for years and a third back just to make it not hurt so bad

So again some pieces may have to change a little, maybe add a few picks or some other mid level prospects to round the deals out but should be a decent starting point for all teams involved. May have to add a little more to ARI to make it more appealing, maybe FLA throws in prospect but BOS changes to 2nd round instead of 3rd back to FLA if that’s the case or something like that or maybe BOS keeps 3rd and throws in a middle prospect to FLA for playoff depth someone with a little nhl expirence (froden for forward or Lewington for D) something like that so FLA has extra depth piece on two way deal for playoffs idk
Or maybe JD gets thrown in from BOS as sweetner with ARI throwing in a third to BOS or maybe they add some more pieces to this. Crouse to BOS for another 2nd and JD or something ( yes I know Crouse is reportedly staying in ARI)

Let me know your thoughts and how this could be tinkered with a little bit to work or whatever
3 mars 2022 à 12 h 42
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Boston is straight up not having a good time in this 3way...
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3 mars 2022 à 13 h 4
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Quoting: BruinsFan93
Boston is straight up not having a good time in this 3way...


LOL nope no fun at all, trading for a top C prospect isn’t going to be fun no matter how it gets played with 🤭😉

Do you have any ideas how to address BOS center situation?

As I’ve thought about it there’s about three ways “ hahaha no pun intended there I swear”

1st: BOS signs FA Hertl possibly, to say 6 years and 8-8.5m hopefully, I’m assuming he wants more term then that but at 29yo I really don’t want to offer up more then that

2nd: BOS signs a 30+ center, say Giroux or Pavs maybe, hopefully to 3-4 year contract, Cause again I don’t really want to be paying 7-8m+ for 35+ yo, but that put BOS through the marsh hall contracts and leaves us probably without them, and berg and probably honestly having to trade Pasta as hell be pushing 30. While also leaving us with a 28yo Mac and headed for what I would say would be a massive rebuild

Or 3rd: which is basically what this trade is, going out and paying top dollar for a future top C thats young, (doesn’t have to Lundell but not sure how many more top Young C’s are going to be willing to be moved) and we retool around sway in the crease, Mac on the back end, Carlo and Vak are still good top 4 pieces to keep, and pasta and “Center X” aka Lundell in this example.

Idk that’s all I could really come up with but am just trying to see where other BOS fans think they should be headed

And obviously Berg coming back or not plays huge part in this and BOS path aswell
3 mars 2022 à 13 h 20
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I’d give that up for chychrun.
3 mars 2022 à 13 h 32
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Quoting: CMcAvoy73
I’d give that up for chychrun.


Sorry I actually meant to send you link in the other post to get your input on this one, as it’s kinda a spin off from that.

Could be possible for sure, like we’ve already gone over in other post. There are a few options to address BOS center issues but this should honestly be a legitimate path to explore. Maybe not the best path but still a viable one IMO
3 mars 2022 à 13 h 34
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Quoting: Snowball
Sorry I actually meant to send you link in the other post to get your input on this one, as it’s kinda a spin off from that.

Could be possible for sure, like we’ve already gone over in other post. There are a few options to address BOS center issues but this should honestly be a legitimate path to explore. Maybe not the best path but still a viable one IMO


Trading two firsts, lysell, and debrusk for a guy that has under 50 games in North America is a non starter for me. There have been plenty of players that have gotten off to a hot start and haven’t taken the next step.
3 mars 2022 à 14 h 26
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One of he better three ways I have seen. Everybody gives something and everybody gets something special.
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3 mars 2022 à 14 h 37
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Bruins take a pass on this one. JC is a good player for sure and he was fun to watch in the O as well as the NHL no, but not at the cost of Lysell, Studs and 2 first rounders. Bruins can't mortgage that for 1 asset. They would be better served trying to lock in Hampus from the Ducks vs this.
3 mars 2022 à 15 h 59
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Bruins take a pass on this one. JC is a good player for sure and he was fun to watch in the O as well as the NHL no, but not at the cost of Lysell, Studs and 2 first rounders. Bruins can't mortgage that for 1 asset. They would be better served trying to lock in Hampus from the Ducks vs this.


BOS only gives one first, FLA gives the other, and BOS isnt keeping Chychrun, we’re getting a top C prospect in Lundell
3 mars 2022 à 16 h 3
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Quoting: Creagentuirc
One of he better three ways I have seen. Everybody gives something and everybody gets something special.


Thanks man, tried to keep it pretty fair. It’s not perfect I’m sure but with little work I think it could honestly benefit every team involved. And like I said definitely it is a steep price for BOS but if Lundell pans out to his potential then would actually be relatively cheap in the long run and if he doesn’t then well my tenure as GM would be very short lived 😂
3 mars 2022 à 16 h 16
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Lundell alone is more valuable than Chychrun. The Panthers wouldn't do this even without giving up that 1st
3 mars 2022 à 16 h 18
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Quoting: RaZZe
Lundell alone is more valuable than Chychrun. The Panthers wouldn't do this even without giving up that 1st


LOL ok man
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LOL ok man


A 20-year-old top6 two-way center who plays for free for the next two seasons vs a guy who has been good for exactly one season.
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A 20-year-old top6 two-way center who plays for free for the next two seasons vs a guy who has been good for exactly one season.


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3 mars 2022 à 16 h 44
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Arizona cuts Boston out of this deal and goes and gets lundell themselves
3 mars 2022 à 17 h 5
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Quoting: Yotes269
Arizona cuts Boston out of this deal and goes and gets lundell themselves


They’re not getting two first and a top prospect and another prospect/or young nhl player from FLA, if FLA offered that they would of already taken it
3 mars 2022 à 19 h 4
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They’re not getting two first and a top prospect and another prospect/or young nhl player from FLA, if FLA offered that they would of already taken it


Arizona takes lundell and a 1st and runs. They don’t need the Boston 1st or studnicka, lundell is more valuable than lysell, and the 1sts cancel out. I’d rather have lundell than lysell and studnicka which is what this boils down to for Arizona. They cut Boston out
3 mars 2022 à 19 h 14
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Quoting: Yotes269
Arizona takes lundell and a 1st and runs. They don’t need the Boston 1st or studnicka, lundell is more valuable than lysell, and the 1sts cancel out. I’d rather have lundell than lysell and studnicka which is what this boils down to for Arizona. They cut Boston out


It’s already been rumored that ARI wanted Lundell, first + from FLA and Zito hung up the phone sooooo…..
3 mars 2022 à 19 h 24
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It’s already been rumored that ARI wanted Lundell, first + from FLA and Zito hung up the phone sooooo…..


So how does this 3 way trade do anything for anyone then? Arizona has a top line winger in the WHL playing far better than lysell, and if they can’t get lundell what exactly is the point of this? Boston has the 3rd most valuable package in this deal and somehow ends up with arguably the most valuable player while Arizona goes from having quality to quantity? The trade doesn’t work, they wouldn’t do chychrun for the Boston package, and Florida won’t do lundell for chychrun, so it all falls apart is my entire point. Boston would never end up with lundell under any circumstances
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So how does this 3 way trade do anything for anyone then? Arizona has a top line winger in the WHL playing far better than lysell, and if they can’t get lundell what exactly is the point of this? Boston has the 3rd most valuable package in this deal and somehow ends up with arguably the most valuable player while Arizona goes from having quality to quantity? The trade doesn’t work, they wouldn’t do chychrun for the Boston package, and Florida won’t do lundell for chychrun, so it all falls apart is my entire point. Boston would never end up with lundell under any circumstances


Ok so ARI cuts BOS out or the trade just falls apart which one is it?

A simple constructive response would have been “ hey don’t think ARI has any interest in a RW as they drafted a pretty damn good one this year and have one already in the NHL”

Then I could of said “ O snap my bad, I didn’t realize that, what do you think ARI needs for a position prospect wise?”

See and then we could of worked together to find a common solution to make everyone happy, but I guess it’s for the better cause anyone who believes Lysell and 2 first rounders is quantity over quality obviously doesn’t have a grasp on reality
3 mars 2022 à 22 h 13
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Quoting: Snowball
BOS only gives one first, FLA gives the other, and BOS isnt keeping Chychrun, we’re getting a top C prospect in Lundell


Sorry miss read that - either way not sure I would move Studs, Lysell, 1st and a 3rd for Lundell. My bad on the original post brother.
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Quoting: Hobo
Sorry miss read that - either way not sure I would move Studs, Lysell, 1st and a 3rd for Lundell. My bad on the original post brother.


All good man! And ya it’s a lot of pieces but he’s one of the top C prospects in the league right now, and 20 yo and has 2 years left at sub 1m so he wouldn’t be cheap. And honestly is a little gamble as he is projected to be a top C but is currently playing 3rd line so matching up against that usually so that could be inflating his numbers a little bit with no PP time or very very little, all his goals(12) have come at 5v5 so that’s got to count for something. And like I said in a n earlier post if he actually turns into a top C then this price is very reasonable but if he does not for some reason then my tenure as GM would be very short lived 😂
4 mars 2022 à 10 h 49
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Quoting: Snowball
All good man! And ya it’s a lot of pieces but he’s one of the top C prospects in the league right now, and 20 yo and has 2 years left at sub 1m so he wouldn’t be cheap. And honestly is a little gamble as he is projected to be a top C but is currently playing 3rd line so matching up against that usually so that could be inflating his numbers a little bit with no PP time or very very little, all his goals(12) have come at 5v5 so that’s got to count for something. And like I said in a n earlier post if he actually turns into a top C then this price is very reasonable but if he does not for some reason then my tenure as GM would be very short lived 😂


I am a big Lundell fan as well and would love to see him in Bruins colours and the fact Florida is so deep they can let him develop as a true center with Duclair and Verhaeghe is nice to see. There is a give to get for sure, but the way Lysell is adapting to the North American rinks in the WHL right now is good to see. I get his is a winger and 2 years younger than (Lysell that is), but the upside is a breath of fresh air that almost reminds you of Pasta in the Juniors for his draft year.

That being said, with the Panthers cap struggles I think for next year (I think saw somewhere it said 15 roster players and only like 4.9 million cap space to sign 8 players) essentially makes Lundell untouchable no matter the package.
 
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