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Conservative Deadline

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Équipe: 2021-22 Bruins de Boston
Date de création initiale: 26 janv. 2022
Publié: 26 janv. 2022
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
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  1. DeBrusk, Jake
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Vaakanainen has looked good but going forward I think zboril is the long term play to be in the bruins top 4
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Rask coming back was a mistake…. Idk what you do about him especially when swayman has been the bruins best goalie this year
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26 janv. 2022 à 12 h 22
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Quoting: Gofnut999
On this site? Lol, just the opposite.

Zacha has been absolute dog 💩 the last 2 months so obviously he’s no good and won’t be. Give them John Moore and 3rd.

Now insert Debrusk in place of Zacha and that’s the take on this site. 🙄


Zacha has had cold streak. No doubt.
But he is still producing more than Debrusk while cold.

I think Debrusk could rebound with change of scenery. And I'd be psyched if Devils were the ones to give him that chance.
But I wouldn't give up much for him...would take on the salary, send a cheap asset back.
26 janv. 2022 à 12 h 25
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Quoting: NHLfan10506
Zacha has had cold streak. No doubt.
But he is still producing more than Debrusk while cold.

I think Debrusk could rebound with change of scenery. And I'd be psyched if Devils were the ones to give him that chance.
But I wouldn't give up much for him...would take on the salary, send a cheap asset back.


Look again…he isn’t

Since beginning of Dec

Debrusk 16games 8 pts

Zacha 18 and 5
26 janv. 2022 à 12 h 25
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How is it lateral if you are adding a young defenseman who will play in your top 6


If we're agreeing that Zach and DeBrusk are somewhat lateral moves, so why add a dman to get something slightly better back? I think Zach might be a little better, but it maybe have a net effect of zero.
26 janv. 2022 à 12 h 26
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Quoting: Gofnut999
I agree they are of equsl value. However on this site Zacha is seen as asset while Debrusk as seen as a cap dump 🤷🏻‍♂️ That’s my point.


I've seen very mixed AGMs on here where Boston gets far too much back for DeBrusk.
26 janv. 2022 à 12 h 27
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I agree they are of equsl value. However on this site Zacha is seen as asset while Debrusk as seen as a cap dump 🤷🏻‍♂️ That’s my point.


Because, Zacha is an asset.

Zacha: 25g, 26a, 51pts over last 82 (at $2.25 million)
Debrusk: 12g, 16a, 28pts over last 82 (at $3.675 million)
26 janv. 2022 à 12 h 28
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I've seen very mixed AGMs on here where Boston gets far too much back for DeBrusk.


From delusional Boston fans
26 janv. 2022 à 12 h 30
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From delusional Boston fans


Probably lol. There's so much delusion on this board it's hard to keep track.
26 janv. 2022 à 12 h 32
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Quoting: Mr_Gardoki
Probably lol. There's so much delusion on this board it's hard to keep track.


Even then most Boston trades where they are bringing back a high end player Debrusk is the 3rd piece in the deal.

I have seen very few 1 for 1 or Debrusk being main piece being crazy ridiculous. However i have seen tons where other team offering dog 💩 for him.
26 janv. 2022 à 12 h 34
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I didn't say he's mediocre. I think he's overrated. I think he's a defensively responsible 3rd line winger with so-so production, but the way I see him valued on here is crazy most of the time. Now, is this trade NOT fair value? Not saying that. I was genuinely questioning why NJ would be moving Zacha.


Yes, i’m saying mediocre could be a fair assessment, but overrated is not.

I don’t think it’s fair, but because of vaakanainen, not debrusk.

Zacha seemingly has shown a higher floor than debrusk, but debrusk the higher ceiling. I think its a fair hockey trade, with maybe a small kicker from Boston knocking it out of hockey trade territory.
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26 janv. 2022 à 12 h 34
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Because, Zacha is an asset.

Zacha: 25g, 26a, 51pts over last 82 (at $2.25 million)
Debrusk: 12g, 16a, 28pts over last 82 (at $3.675 million)


And before the last 82 Debrusk destroyed Zacha in production.

They are both assets, which was the point.
26 janv. 2022 à 12 h 34
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Agreed, my worry is if he continues to be sluggish because with a goalie like swayman in providence if rask is under performing I don’t know what the bruins options are, like are we stuck with rask and Ullmark no matter what?


I would be concerned if Rask hadn’t shown anything. But he has. That start against philly he was perfect.
26 janv. 2022 à 12 h 35
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Look again…he isn’t

Since beginning of Dec

Debrusk 16 8 pts

Zacha 18 5

And i think debrusk has played better than his point totals to be honest. He’s been a nice 2022 surprise.
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26 janv. 2022 à 12 h 35
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Yes, i’m saying mediocre could be a fair assessment, but overrated is not.

I don’t think it’s fair, but because of vaakanainen, not debrusk.

Zacha seemingly has shown a higher floor than debrusk, but debrusk the higher ceiling. I think its a fair hockey trade, with maybe a small kicker from Boston knocking it out of hockey trade territory.


I'm not arguing the value. I'm just questioning the "why."
26 janv. 2022 à 12 h 38
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Look again…he isn’t


Over last two months (what you said was Zacha's cold spell)

Zacha: 2g, 4a, 6pts (4 posts hit)
Debrusk: 3g, 4a, 7pts (2 healthy scratches)

Wow. You are right. Debrusk has outperformed Zacha by 1 goal.

Was just curious about the two months before that...

Zacha: 8g, 4a, 12pts
Debrusk: 3g, 3a, 6pts

Or the two before that...

Zacha: 10g, 8a, 18pts
Debrusk: 3g, 5a, 8pts

Or maybe the two before that...

Zacha: 7g, 10a, 18pts
Debrusk: 2g, 4a, 6pts
26 janv. 2022 à 12 h 39
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Quoting: CMcAvoy73
And i think debrusk has played better than his point totals to be honest. He’s been a nice 2022 surprise.


Agreed if anyone actually bothered to watch him play over the last 2 months as opposed to look at point totals and follow the sheep’s path to a false narrative….but that would be silly. 🤷🏻‍♂️
26 janv. 2022 à 12 h 40
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Over last two months (what you said was Zacha's cold spell)

Zacha: 2g, 4a, 6pts (4 posts hit)
Debrusk: 3g, 4a, 7pts (2 healthy scratches)

Wow. You are right. Debrusk has outperformed Zacha by 1 goal.

Was just curious about the two months before that...

Zacha: 8g, 4a, 12pts
Debrusk: 3g, 3a, 6pts

Or the two before that...

Zacha: 10g, 8a, 18pts
Debrusk: 3g, 5a, 8pts

Or maybe the two before that...

Zacha: 7g, 10a, 18pts
Debrusk: 2g, 4a, 6pts


And the 3 years before that….

Seriously bro un bunch the panties. Nobody was denigrating Zacha. Was showing how ridiculous the take on Debrusk is. Chill.

But thank you for proving my point. Somebody points out how bad Zacha has been as of late and your feathers are ruffled as to that is not who he is. That’s Boston fans and Debrusk. 🤷🏻‍♂️
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26 janv. 2022 à 12 h 52
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And the 3 years before that….

Seriously bro un bunch the panties. Nobody was denigrating Zacha. Was showing how ridiculous the take on Debrusk is. Chill.


I am chill! (sorry if I sounded otherwise).

(also, in the Hynes years, Zacha was deployed as defensive 3C...so keep in mind his point production was paltry. We played a lot in our own zone. A lot!).

I'd like Debrusk...would be nice to see him rebound. But not at expense of Zacha.
A few options...without really thinking it all through

1. Kuokkanen
2. Boqvist
3. Vesey + late pick
4. 3rd rounder
5. Prospect along lines of Tyce Thompson, Graeme Clarke, Nikita Okhotiuk

Nothing that is going to blow your socks off.
But if you had a Hertl deal in the hopper, and needed the cap space, maybe one of them would be appealing.
26 janv. 2022 à 12 h 53
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Agreed if anyone actually bothered to watch him play over the last 2 months as opposed to look at point totals a follow the sheep’s path to a false narrative….but that would be silly. 🤷🏻‍♂️


I admittedly have not watched him much. And I just looked at point totals. Baaaaahhh!
26 janv. 2022 à 12 h 57
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I am chill! (sorry if I sounded otherwise).

(also, in the Hynes years, Zacha was deployed as defensive 3C...so keep in mind his point production was paltry. We played a lot in our own zone. A lot!).

I'd like Debrusk...would be nice to see him rebound. But not at expense of Zacha.
A few options...without really thinking it all through

1. Kuokkanen
2. Boqvist
3. Vesey + late pick
4. 3rd rounder
5. Prospect along lines of Tyce Thompson, Graeme Clarke, Nikita Okhotiuk

Nothing that is going to blow your socks off.
But if you had a Hertl deal in the hopper, and needed the cap space, maybe one of them would be appealing.


I don’t blame you. I would not do it 1 for 1 either. Between the QO, the ability to play C, at best a lateral move it makes no sense.

But on the flip, Boston won’t trade Debr8sk to downgrade just to move him.
26 janv. 2022 à 13 h 31
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I think a lot of teams will be interested in a guy like Mcnabb, cheap bottom pairing dman I could see him going for a second at least with Clifton you have a guy making 1 mil who can play on the bottom pair but if that’s the case I’d give up a pick if you really need the space


we have no need for any bottom pairing or 4th liners, we NEED cap space. When Eichel comes off we need around 7. So McNabb and Daddanov or Smith is the likely answer unless someone else gets hurt
26 janv. 2022 à 14 h 37
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I'm not arguing the value. I'm just questioning the "why."


Pretty simple: his performance. Everyone likes to pile on about how bad debrusk has been, and frankly, he has been bad since the pandemic with the exception of a few bright spots here and there. Even with that downswing, his career 82 game averages:
22 goals 22 assists, 44 points.
In the two seasons following his rookie year, he scored at a 28 goal pace. That’s good.

Hence the interest.
 
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