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Créé par: BeautifulIdiot
Équipe: 2021-22 Canucks de Vancouver
Date de création initiale: 19 janv. 2022
Publié: 19 janv. 2022
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I think we should sell at the TDL. If we make it in, it will be as a WC and will be kicked in the first round by a powerhouse. Lets put in a good effort this year, and then make adjustments to put the team in a position to be a contender in 2-3 years for 4-5 years.

NYR fans - this is the only thing that the Canucks will take. Yes he is highly touted, but you are getting term on JT.

Motte, Miller, Halák, and Schenn moves can all be done at the TDL, other other ones can wait to the draft. Montour can be either or (Burroughs would slot in in the mean time if this is the case).

Plans for the off season: Sign Brock to a 6x6, move Hamonic, move Rathbone be a full time NHLer
DCore will consist of QH43, OEL23, JR3 on the left, and Schnider, TM57, and Montour on the right.
We will need a 3rd line centre again, I think Domi would be a good fit, played with Bo, heart and soul guy.

If you aren't a rangers fan let me know your thoughts, I am not saying this to be mean, I already know what you're gonna say.
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VAN
  1. Choix de 2e ronde en 2023 (COL)
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Does not have to be to the avs, just a contender, most likely a 22 2nd. value is there, he's on fire right now, and cash retained, great bottom 6 rental
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  1. Motte, Tyler (612 500 $ retained)
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  1. Schneider, Braden
  2. Choix de 1e ronde en 2022 (NYR)
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Here's why this is the price,
1. retention
2. there will be a bidding war
3. hes there for 2 years.
4. it honnestly could be more
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  1. Miller, J.T. (2 625 000 $ retained)
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  1. Choix de 7e ronde en 2022 (VGK)
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depth for contender
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  1. Montour, Brandon
Détails additionnels:
moving cap out at TDL to make room for an expiring deal.
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  1. Choix de 3e ronde en 2023 (VAN)
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depth for a run, Jaro is better than both of their current goalies and depth on D from someone like schenn is a needed addtion
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  1. Choix de 3e ronde en 2022 (SEA)
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slides down a few spots to get a serviceable defensemen as they have a ton of immature right siders and lefties playing right
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  1. Poolman, Tucker
  2. Choix de 4e ronde en 2022 (VAN)
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19 janv. 2022 à 22 h 16
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Mott has 8 points a Pending UFA and is not very good defensively in that role.
a 2nd is massive overpayment for that type of player, Avs or not, no team will give up a 2nd for him
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Simple solution, Rangers will not pay the price. If we don’t get him so be it. He’s a luxury not a necessity.
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Mott has 8 points a Pending UFA and is not very good defensively in that role.
a 2nd is massive overpayment for that type of player, Avs or not, no team will give up a 2nd for him


in 24 games, 1/3 ppg, and defensively, hes a PK specialist. and at under league min, thats a good deal.
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Simple solution, Rangers will not pay the price. If we don’t get him so be it. He’s a luxury not a necessity.


ok, next, we're working with the highest bidder, and you bet that drury will have his eyes set on getting a cup within the next 2 years.
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19 janv. 2022 à 22 h 25
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in 24 games, 1/3 ppg, and defensively, hes a PK specialist. and at under league min, thats a good deal.


its an easy pass and a massive over payment for that player, hes not that good
.33 ppg is not special, 26 point pace is an average 4th liner
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ok, next, we're working with the highest bidder, and you bet that drury will have his eyes set on getting a cup within the next 2 years.


That won’t happen. That’s over zealous and beyond optimistic. First they need to get to the playoffs. The next step is learning how to win in the playoffs. Very few teams are ever able to do it that quickly. Tampa, Washington, St. Louis and Pittsburgh didn’t. They all had to lose in order to learn how to win.
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its an easy pass and a massive over payment for that player, hes not that good
.33 ppg is not special, 26 point pace is an average 4th liner


again, any contender, late 2nd for a PK guy who can also produce for under league min is a fair deal
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Canucks (or any team) are not getting Schneider, period. Keep dreaming if you want, but there is ZERO chance Drury trades him. Rangers will be just fine without JT.
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again, any contender, late 2nd for a PK guy who can also produce for under league min is a fair deal


I said no team will pay a 2nd for a 4th liner Winger,
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That won’t happen. That’s over zealous and beyond optimistic. First they need to get to the playoffs. The next step is learning how to win in the playoffs. Very few teams are ever able to do it that quickly. Tampa, Washington, St. Louis and Pittsburgh didn’t. They all had to lose in order to learn how to win.


crosby won the cup at 21 and went to the finals at 20. pitts was really bad and then really good, and thats what i think drury wants. the rumors that they want him are out there, its just a question of what is more important to him. a shot at the cup, or a prospect.
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Canucks (or any team) are not getting Schneider, period. Keep dreaming if you want, but there is ZERO chance Drury trades him. Rangers will be just fine without JT.


knew you were going to say that. have a good one
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Canucks (or any team) are not getting Schneider, period. Keep dreaming if you want, but there is ZERO chance Drury trades him. Rangers will be just fine without JT.


That’s what I find interesting. They act like we’re crap without Miller. Last I checked the Rangers are actually are a decent time, while the Canucks not so much.
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I said no team will pay a 2nd for a 4th liner Winger,


would a 3rd be better then?
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That’s what I find interesting. They act like we’re crap without Miller. Last I checked the Rangers are actually are a decent time, while the Canucks not so much.


Yeah. And they act like it's the Rangers that need to make a trade, when in reality, Drury is under zero pressure to make any trades. There is no way he gives up core young players for rentals or aging vets.
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crosby won the cup at 21 and went to the finals at 20. pitts was really bad and then really good, and thats what i think drury wants. the rumors that they want him are out there, its just a question of what is more important to him. a shot at the cup, or a prospect.


Took him 4 years to win. 3 years of playoffs before that including a finals loss. Lightning went to multiple conference finals and lost in 2015 before winning 2. Washington and St. Louis each took many years of being in the playoffs before winning. The notion that success is guaranteed or needs to be immediate seems pretty naive to me.
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would a 3rd be better then?


thats even too much. Guys like Motte do not fetch value at the deadline. They are 4th and 5th round picks. What Motte does can be traded for that value from other teams. I wouldn't trade a 3rd for him
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Yeah. And they act like it's the Rangers that need to make a trade, when in reality, Drury is under zero pressure to make any trades. There is no way he gives up core young players for rentals or aging vets.


This.
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Yeah. And they act like it's the Rangers that need to make a trade, when in reality, Drury is under zero pressure to make any trades. There is no way he gives up core young players for rentals or aging vets.


hey again, we're just adressing the rumors and suggesting trades based on them. he doesnt hold the power if hes looking for the player, that leads to overpayment
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thats even too much. Guys like Motte do not fetch value at the deadline. They are 4th and 5th round picks. What Motte does can be traded for that value from other teams. I wouldn't trade a 3rd for him


I would push back hard on that, guys like him are usually another mil, and retained brings the value up.
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I would push back hard on that, guys like him are usually another mil, and retained brings the value up.


Go look at the recently deadlines. Nick Cousins, Nate Thompons, Namestiknov etc etc etc, they are all treaded for 4th and 5th round picks. They do what Motte does and in Namestikovs case is better offensively.

A 3rd is dreaming a bit bc Motte isnt special, teams can find what he does for cheaper
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Go look at the recently deadlines. Nick Cousins, Nate Thompons, Namestiknov etc etc etc, they are all treaded for 4th and 5th round picks. They do what Motte does and in Namestikovs case is better offensively.

A 3rd is dreaming a bit bc Motte isnt special, teams can find what he does for cheaper


cousins, thompson, were 1m, no retention Namestikov was 4m, and then had 19% retained. motte would be super cheap that even cap crunched teams would be able to afford him, thats where his value is. boulstering the 4th line, without having to do cap gymnastics
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cousins, thompson, were 1m, no retention Namestikov was 4m, and then had 19% retained. motte would be super cheap that even cap crunched teams would be able to afford him, thats where his value is. boulstering the 4th line, without having to do cap gymnastics


retaining him does not add significant value, that is artificial value in your mind. He is what he is. A 4th line Winger who isnt very good defensively, look at his underlying metrics, with limited offensively output.

That isnt special, a 3rd round can be best used on a better player than Motte. He just isnt very good and retaining a few 100k on him at the deadline when teams have accrued space/ LTIR etc adds little to no additional value. You are going to retain just so you can get anything for him, not that it adds value

You want him to be more value but he just isnt valuable as a prime TDL target. Teams are not going to be knocking down the door for him
19 janv. 2022 à 22 h 59
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hey again, we're just adressing the rumors and suggesting trades based on them. he doesnt hold the power if hes looking for the player, that leads to overpayment


The Rangers are 26-10-4 so he has zero pressure to make any trade right now. He may inquire about trades, that's part of his job, but that doesn't mean he is going to trade young core pieces for an older player with a short term contract. That is the point. You can post any trade you want, its a fantasy sight, but if you're trying to be realistic, you have to consider these things.
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retaining him does not add significant value, that is artificial value in your mind. He is what he is. A 4th line Winger who isnt very good defensively, look at his underlying metrics, with limited offensively output.

That isnt special, a 3rd round can be best used on a better player than Motte. He just isnt very good and retaining a few 100k on him at the deadline when teams have accrued space/ LTIR etc adds little to no additional value. You are going to retain just so you can get anything for him, not that it adds value

You want him to be more value but he just isnt valuable as a prime TDL target. Teams are not going to be knocking down the door for him


ok there coga, that is where you're wrong, retained value is big in a cap league, sure he isnt the #1 target for all teams, but he still will be an addition that teams will look to get.
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The Rangers are 26-10-4 so he has zero pressure to make any trade right now. He may inquire about trades, that's part of his job, but that doesn't mean he is going to trade young core pieces for an older player with a short term contract. That is the point. You can post any trade you want, its a fantasy sight, but if you're trying to be realistic, you have to consider these things.


I mean, valuewise, it is fairly accurate, and its crap on the pot or get off time, and i would be suprised if he didnt entertain a trade looking like this.
 
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