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Équipe: 2021-22 Oilers d'Edmonton
Date de création initiale: 16 janv. 2022
Publié: 16 janv. 2022
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Ideally Ken Holland is gone, but that would NEVER happen, "safest job in Canada is the hockey GM".

If Tippet is fired I don't know what that does in the long term, maybe it gives a short-term boost. Maybe Playfair should be out too as he is the assistant coach responsible for defense and the tactic (he mentioned on chiclets podcast) of mobbing the attacking side wing, leaving off-wing for the goalie is not the right solution for the roster we have.
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  1. Allen, Jake
  2. Chiarot, Ben (750 000 $ retained)
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  1. Bourgault, Xavier [Liste de réserve]
  2. Koskinen, Mikko
  3. Choix de 2e ronde en 2022 (EDM)
  4. Choix de 1e ronde en 2023 (EDM)
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Bourgault was our 2021 1st rounder
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16 janv. 2022 à 14 h 45
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That’s too much going to MTL
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16 janv. 2022 à 14 h 55
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If I want anyone from Montreal, it would be Joel Edmundson. Chiarot is okay, but I rather get a defensive guy with term. Especially a guy who only makes 3.5M. Another one could be Carson Soucy, who only makes 2.75M. Of course we would probably have to send Barrie the other way, however, if the team doesn’t want him, they can probably flip him for a second. That’s the type of defence man we should be looking at. Soucy has 2 years left on his deal, including this year. Edmundson has 3 years left on his deal including this year. Both very good players, both teams suck.. it makes sense to me.
16 janv. 2022 à 15 h 0
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If I want anyone from Montreal, it would be Joel Edmundson. Chiarot is okay, but I rather get a defensive guy with term. Especially a guy who only makes 3.5M. Another one could be Carson Soucy, who only makes 2.75M. Of course we would probably have to send Barrie the other way, however, if the team doesn’t want him, they can probably flip him for a second. That’s the type of defence man we should be looking at. Soucy has 2 years left on his deal, including this year. Edmundson has 3 years left on his deal including this year. Both very good players, both teams suck.. it makes sense to me.


No, MTL aren’t trading Edmundson, he is our most steady dman and he will mentor our young LHD like Romanov Guhle Harris Norlinder. If we trade Edmundson, Romanov become our 1LHD at 22 yo
16 janv. 2022 à 15 h 3
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No, MTL aren’t trading Edmundson, he is our most steady dman and he will mentor our young LHD like Romanov Guhle Harris Norlinder. If we trade Edmundson, Romanov become our 1LHD at 22 yo


That’s fair. I was just thinking because you guys are rebuilding. Maybe Soucy would be a better guy to get instead. Thanks for the feedback! If you move Edmundson, do you think they would sign Chiarot to play 1LD? It’s not the best option, but if they get a very good offer for Edmundson, they might have to take it.. I see why you say no though.
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16 janv. 2022 à 15 h 15
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No, MTL aren’t trading Edmundson, he is our most steady dman and he will mentor our young LHD like Romanov Guhle Harris Norlinder. If we trade Edmundson, Romanov become our 1LHD at 22 yo


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That’s fair. I was just thinking because you guys are rebuilding. Maybe Soucy would be a better guy to get instead. Thanks for the feedback! If you move Edmundson, do you think they would sign Chiarot to play 1LD? It’s not the best option, but if they get a very good offer for Edmundson, they might have to take it.. I see why you say no though.

If we’re tearing it down than yes move edmunson did the right price. What would be your offer @Nhl_oilers
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16 janv. 2022 à 15 h 27
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If we’re tearing it down than yes move edmunson did the right price. What would be your offer Nhl_oilers


If chiarot is a 1st and 3rd. Edmundson who is better, and has way more term (2and a half years) the price should be: 1st, broberg,Konovalov
16 janv. 2022 à 15 h 27
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If we’re tearing it down than yes move edmunson did the right price. What would be your offer Nhl_oilers


We can’t go Romanov Guhle Harris even in a rebuilt
You need vets
Tearing it down doesn’t mean you trade everyone over 25 yo
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16 janv. 2022 à 15 h 28
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If chiarot is a 1st and 3rd. Edmundson who is better, and has way more term (2and a half years) the price should be: 1st, broberg,Konovalov


You are the new biggest Habs homer or what ? First day I see you and you are asking twice the price our players are worth
16 janv. 2022 à 15 h 29
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You are the new biggest Habs homer or what ? First day I see you and you are asking twice the price our players are worth


Yeah, so what's the price for eddy.
16 janv. 2022 à 15 h 33
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Yeah, so what's the price for eddy.


A 2022 1st and a prospect outside their top 2 prospect : Bouchard isn’t a prospect anymore but not him, Broberg & Bourgault. So if an offer like a 2022 1st RD pick + Carter Savoie for Edmundson, then MTL HAVE to take it. But it’s still an overpay, realistically, Edmundson is worth a 1st RD pick and that’s it
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16 janv. 2022 à 15 h 48
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We can’t go Romanov Guhle Harris even in a rebuilt
You need vets
Tearing it down doesn’t mean you trade everyone over 25 yo

Tearing it down means acquiring a lot of picks and prospects to build around. You can go out in free agency and grab a nice veteran lhd if you want. If a nice trade for edmunson comes around I think you’d be stupid not to take it. Jake muezzin got a first and two prospects and edmunson has an extra year
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16 janv. 2022 à 15 h 55
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If we’re tearing it down than yes move edmunson did the right price. What would be your offer Nhl_oilers


How does Lavoie, and a second sound? I don’t think it would be too much more than maybe a first. Chiarot for a first is just dumb. I don’t see many GMs trading that for him unless they are a contender. He’s not good enough to get that type of return.
16 janv. 2022 à 16 h 1
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How does Lavoie, and a second sound? I don’t think it would be too much more than maybe a first. Chiarot for a first is just dumb. I don’t see many GMs trading that for him unless they are a contender. He’s not good enough to get that type of return.


I think some team thinking chiarot can get them the cup will give the first, like tampa and savard last year

For eddy as I said above muzzin got a first and two prospects. At this point I probably would rather the first than lavoie. 3 playoff runs with eddy should be at least a first and a little more. Gm’s tend to move firsts quite easily for good players
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16 janv. 2022 à 16 h 4
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I think some team thinking chiarot can get them the cup will give the first, like tampa and savard last year

For eddy as I said above muzzin got a first and two prospects. At this point I probably would rather the first than lavoie. 3 playoff runs with eddy should be at least a first and a little more. Gm’s tend to move firsts quite easily for good players


That is fair. Edmundson is definitely worth it. A first and Lavoie? Or do you not like Lavoie? If not, we can work around it! I like people who I can talk to, to make a trade that’s fair for both sides. I can definitely see a contending team giving a first for Chiarot, but I don’t see many teams doing it. I just wish Holland would do some trades soon…
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16 janv. 2022 à 16 h 5
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How does Lavoie, and a second sound? I don’t think it would be too much more than maybe a first. Chiarot for a first is just dumb. I don’t see many GMs trading that for him unless they are a contender. He’s not good enough to get that type of return.


LMAO, you don't get Chiarot for that package yet you think it is enough for Edmundson?!

The Cost for Edmundson would quite easily be 2 1sts especially seeing as Edmonton is desperate, we don't have to move him, he is on a great contract for what he brings and as GMs said he is our most reliable D man. So yes the Price could very well be 2022 or 23 1st + Bourgault or Broberg + cap dump.
16 janv. 2022 à 16 h 6
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Wow, lot of counters here.

If it was "what would we do" that's a bit different as we wouldn't be getting fleeced like Holland will.

I'm thinking more along the lines of: If, Holland does something —which he's already stated he won't— what would that look like to get Allen. The Chiarot thing is an extra and not an essential.

To me getting Allen is the best move to save the Oilers season right now. If they're still in the playoffs by TDL then there'll be Chiarot-like options available
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16 janv. 2022 à 16 h 8
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That is fair. Edmundson is definitely worth it. A first and Lavoie? Or do you not like Lavoie? If not, we can work around it! I like people who I can talk to, to make a trade that’s fair for both sides. I can definitely see a contending team giving a first for Chiarot, but I don’t see many teams doing it. I just wish Holland would do some trades soon…


Carter Savoie + 2022 1st RD pick and you get have Edmundson
I think that’s the only deal that could make it. No interest in Lavoie Yamamoto Samorukov Tullio etc. And I forgot to mention earlier Holloway is an untouchable for EDM
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16 janv. 2022 à 16 h 8
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That is fair. Edmundson is definitely worth it. A first and Lavoie? Or do you not like Lavoie? If not, we can work around it! I like people who I can talk to, to make a trade that’s fair for both sides. I can definitely see a contending team giving a first for Chiarot, but I don’t see many teams doing it. I just wish Holland would do some trades soon…


The problem with fair trades is they don't happen when teams get desperate like the Oilers. Montreal is a perfect example of this in the summer. We lost Danault and Kotkaniemi then tried to trade for Dvorak who should have only cost 2 2nds but since we were desperate we had to upgrade to a 1st + 3rd.
16 janv. 2022 à 16 h 9
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LMAO, you don't get Chiarot for that package yet you think it is enough for Edmundson?!

The Cost for Edmundson would quite easily be 2 1sts especially seeing as Edmonton is desperate, we don't have to move him, he is on a great contract for what he brings and as GMs said he is our most reliable D man. So yes the Price could very well be 2022 or 23 1st + Bourgault or Broberg + cap dump.


I disagree. Barrie would have to go the other way, so I think maybe a first, Barrie, Lavoie would be a very good trade for him. I just offered Lavoie, and a second to start the talking. Bourgault, and Broberg would not be in the trade, and he is not worth two firsts. Edmundson is good, that’s why I want him, but his value is not two firsts. That’s ridiculous in my opinion.
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16 janv. 2022 à 16 h 9
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LMAO, you don't get Chiarot for that package yet you think it is enough for Edmundson?!

The Cost for Edmundson would quite easily be 2 1sts especially seeing as Edmonton is desperate, we don't have to move him, he is on a great contract for what he brings and as GMs said he is our most reliable D man. So yes the Price could very well be 2022 or 23 1st + Bourgault or Broberg + cap dump.


Would you pay two 1st RD pick + Guhle for like Brendan Carlo ? That’s what you are saying now
16 janv. 2022 à 16 h 10
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The problem with fair trades is they don't happen when teams get desperate like the Oilers. Montreal is a perfect example of this in the summer. We lost Danault and Kotkaniemi then tried to trade for Dvorak who should have only cost 2 2nds but since we were desperate we had to upgrade to a 1st + 3rd.


Dvo was worth a 1st RD pick at the beginning, 4.45M long terms and comes off a career year and he’s young. No way 2 2nd can land a player like that
16 janv. 2022 à 16 h 11
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I disagree. Barrie would have to go the other way, so I think maybe a first, Barrie, Lavoie would be a very good trade for him. I just offered Lavoie, and a second to start the talking. Bourgault, and Broberg would not be in the trade, and he is not worth two firsts. Edmundson is good, that’s why I want him, but his value is not two firsts. That’s ridiculous in my opinion.


Nope Edmundson has more value to Montreal than a late 1st + a offense only D man + Lavioe who is still more than a year away.
16 janv. 2022 à 16 h 12
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Carter Savoie + 2022 1st RD pick and you get have Edmundson
I think that’s the only deal that could make it. No interest in Lavoie Yamamoto Samorukov Tullio etc. And I forgot to mention earlier Holloway is an untouchable for EDM


Interesting. That’s a tad bit of a overpayment, but I would do it. He is on a very good contract for 3 years. Thank you for counter offering me something that is reasonable. Barrie would have to be in the deal if that’s okay..
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16 janv. 2022 à 16 h 12
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Would you pay two 1st RD pick + Guhle for like Brendan Carlo ? That’s what you are saying now


Montreal is not desperate to make the playoffs like Edmonton is. Also I said 1 st + 1 top prospect (value equal to 2 1sts)
16 janv. 2022 à 16 h 13
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Montreal is not desperate to make the playoffs like Edmonton is. Also I said 1 st + 1 top prospect (value equal to 2 1sts)


Oh I thought two 1st + A prospect but still a team desperate will rather pay a 2nd RD pick for Nick Leddy then that package for Edmundson
 
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