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Créé par: Rob32sjsharks

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Date de création initiale: 15 déc. 2021

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Kane will be dealt once teams feel he is NHL ready again, with retention I promise there is a team that thinks they can rebuild his image and utilize him to get to a cup. There is a lot contending teams will tolerate if they think it will help them win a cup. At the end of the day 30 goal scoring power forwards are really hard to come by, Especially if you can capitalize on one with some issues that comes in at 2-2.5 mil a season.
This one is going to get a lot of hate but at the end of the day Robins is one of our few expendable top prospects. With Bordeleau our future 3C/2C and Weisblatt and Coe looking to be our future 2RW and 3RW sooner than later, Robins would have to beat these 3 out for time in the top 9, and he's too small to play on the 4th line. and Toffoli helps us now and in the future.
the line of Nieto Bonino and Cogliano are clicking but I see them as a really good 4th line, not a 3rd line
Tierney has been mentioned in a few NHL rumor boards and on here, a 3rd might be enough to get him back and I remember a little chemistry with him and Labanc, add Balcers who did play a little in Ottawa and this line should have some chemistry and be serviceable for a 3rd line. Note. just found out Labanc is out 3 months with a shoulder injury. but could be back for playoffs.
The 22 draft is deep so I’m trying to avoid giving up this years 1st but with 23 being a more shallow draft (good talent in the top part but thins out after) I feel it’s a safer pick to let go.
Weatherby has been decent but since his first 15 games he has kind of disappeared and I think he could use a little more time in the AHL to hone his game for next season.

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Toffoli, Tyler

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we should have been in on him before he went to Montreal, if Montreal sells he is an Ideal option to pair on our top 6 and we NEED a RW with a RH shot. Robins is a lot to give up but with Bordeleau looking great in college and most likely signing his ELC soon Robins was going to have a hard time breaking into our lineup.

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Robins, Tristen
Choix de 1e ronde en 2023 (SJS)

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Choix de 3e ronde en 2022 (ARI)

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2022 3rd round pick (CAR)
Arizona gets Kane 50% retained then flips him to another team 1-1.5 mil retained. i dont see how a team like Carolina Tampa of Florida dont take a chance on a 30 goal scoring power forward for 2-2.5 a season, and Kane should be humble for at least a year or 2 and those teams are looking to compete for a cup now!

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Kane, Evander (3 500 000 $ retained)
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Tierney, Chris

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Choix de 3e ronde en 2022 (SJS)

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Martin Jones: 1 916 667 $

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Evander Kane: 3 500 000 $ (165.98%)

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Ailier gauche	Centre	Ailier droit
Meier, Timo 3 000 000 $3 000 000 $ AG, AD UFA - 2	Hertl, Tomas 5 625 000 $5 625 000 $ C M-NTC UFA - 1	Toffoli, Tyler 2 125 000 $2 125 000 $ AD, AG UFA - 3
	Couture, Logan 8 000 000 $8 000 000 $ C M-NTC UFA - 6	Barabanov, Alexander 1 000 000 $1 000 000 $ AD, AG UFA - 1
Dahlén, Jonathan 750 000 $750 000 $ AG, AD UFA - 1		Reedy, Scott 842 500 $842 500 $ (82 500 $$82K) C UFA - 2
Balcers, Rūdolfs 1 550 000 $1 550 000 $ AG, AD UFA - 2	Bonino, Nick 1 025 000 $1 025 000 $ C, AG M-NTC UFA - 2	Nieto, Matt 850 000 $850 000 $ AG, AD UFA - 2
Cogliano, Andrew 500 000 $500 000 $ AG UFA - 1	Tierney, Chris 3 500 000 $3 500 000 $ C UFA - 1

Défenseur gaucher	Défenseur droitier	Gardien de but
Ferraro, Mario 925 000 $925 000 $ (212 500 $$212K) DG UFA - 1	Karlsson, Erik 10 000 000 $10 000 000 $ DD NMC UFA - 6	Reimer, James 2 250 000 $2 250 000 $ G M-NTC UFA - 2
Knyzhov, Nikolai 796 667 $796 667 $ DG/DD UFA - 1	Burns, Brent 5 280 000 $5 280 000 $ DD M-NTC UFA - 4	Hill, Adin 2 175 000 $2 175 000 $ G UFA - 2
Middleton, Jake 725 000 $725 000 $ DG UFA - 1	Simek, Radim 2 250 000 $2 250 000 $ DG/DD UFA - 3

Laissés de côté	Liste des blessés (IR)	Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
Vlasic, Marc-Édouard 7 000 000 $7 000 000 $ DG/DD NMC UFA - 5		Labanc, Kevin 4 725 000 $4 725 000 $ AD, AG UFA - 3
Gadjovich, Jonah 783 333 $783 333 $ AG, AD UFA - 1
Pederson, Lane 750 000 $750 000 $ C UFA - 2

15 déc. 2021 à 16 h 34

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Ottawa says "Thank you, Come again."

15 déc. 2021 à 16 h 34

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No way on that Montreal trade. Bad for San Jose moving forward

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15 déc. 2021 à 16 h 35

Rob32sjsharks

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Quoting: glarson17

No way on that Montreal trade. Bad for San Jose moving forward

Why? sharks have a serious lack of RH shot and Toffoli was amazing in the playoffs and is a quality wing on a cheaper contract?
combine that with Labanc going down with a shoulder injury and is out for 3 month I don't see how we don't go after a RW.

15 déc. 2021 à 16 h 37

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It doesn't make sense for MTL to trade Toffoli just to bring in noted locker room cancer Kane.

You're forgetting that there is a new GM in MTL soon. Do you really think their first move will be to bring in Kane? Especially after the whole Logan Malloiux stuff last season? Yeah no.

I think Kane is done playing in the NHL. Either a buyout or a mutual contract termination will happen between the sharks and Kane, and MAYBE a dino GM will give him a 1x1.

15 déc. 2021 à 16 h 37

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Quoting: Rob32sjsharks

Why? sharks have a serious lack of RH shot and Toffoli was amazing in the playoffs and is a quality wing on a cheaper contract?

As much as some fans want to think we can compete right now, we can’t. This really sets back the reset by giving up a great quality prospect and a first in a loaded draft.

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15 déc. 2021 à 16 h 44

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Quoting: sensonfire

Ottawa says "Thank you, Come again."

I've seen you say this a few times and I don't think it means what you think.
It means you appreciate the trade and would like to do further business next time, in this context.

15 déc. 2021 à 16 h 56

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If I am MTL I accept gladly after this year catastrophy

15 déc. 2021 à 17 h 12

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Quoting: ricochetii

I've seen you say this a few times and I don't think it means what you think.
It means you appreciate the trade and would like to do further business next time, in this context.

I know what it means.

Any post featuring a trade that is either:

1. a win for the Ottawa Senators ...

or

2. is in the best interests of the Ottawa Senators ...

will earn a "Thank you, Come again" post from me.

Yes, I do appreciate trading Chris Tierney for a 3rd round pick.

And yes, I welcome the author to post more trades involving the Ottawa Senators as a means "to do further business next time".

I hope this helps

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15 déc. 2021 à 17 h 21

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So much wrong with that Toffoli trade. I say no as soon as Robins’ name comes up. And that’s before factoring in the 1st.

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15 déc. 2021 à 17 h 42

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Modifié 15 déc. 2021 à 18 h 17

Quoting: hazard

I never posted anything about MTL and Kane.... what are you talking about.

Edit: im sorry if you read i said Arizon for the Kane trade and they then flip him to another contender. somehow i left montreal as the trade partner

15 déc. 2021 à 17 h 43

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Quoting: sensonfire

Okay. I thought some of those were bad trades for the Sens, so my mistake.

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15 déc. 2021 à 17 h 45

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Quoting: glarson17

As much as some fans want to think we can compete right now, we can’t. This really sets back the reset by giving up a great quality prospect and a first in a loaded draft.

22 is loaded 23 is only loaded on the first 5-10 spots after that thins out a lot. and Bordeleau and Robins are similar and Bordeleau is the better player. plus if we resign Hertl it will be Couture Hertl Bordeleau down the middle for the next 5 years. where is Robbins fitting?

15 déc. 2021 à 17 h 59

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Quoting: Rob32sjsharks

He can play wing, so can bordeleau. I’m not sure they resign Hertl or that the sharks won’t be in the top 10 picks in that draft, honestly.

15 déc. 2021 à 18 h 20

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Quoting: glarson17

He can play wing, so can bordeleau. I’m not sure they resign Hertl or that the sharks won’t be in the top 10 picks in that draft, honestly.

Bordeleau is a better C option. and Coe is a better 2RW and Weisblatt a much better bottom 6 RW option. Robins is more offensively gifted but Weisblatt is bigger checks and plays better defensively with offensive upside.
Robbins would have to be a 1RW or we don't resign Hertl to make him more viable.

15 déc. 2021 à 22 h 4

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I’m telling ya, we should really keep Robins! Don’t wanna Josh Norris 2.0.

15 déc. 2021 à 22 h 8

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Quoting: Rob32sjsharks

Our center depth in 2016 was: Pavelski, Hertl, Thornton, Couture. Having too many centers isn’t really a bad thing. If anything keep them for now, see how they pan out. We can play either Bordeleau and Robins on the wing if need be. Trade Hertl before the TDL and gain high value assets.

16 déc. 2021 à 1 h 42

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Quoting: Bias_it_self

if Hertl gets traded it would trigger us as sellers and i would not give up Robins!
my feeling here was we need to get Hertl a legit RW and top 6 player or he’s not going to want to resign with us.

but think about this in 1-2 years
Eklund Hertl Toffoli
Dahlin Couture Meier
Barabanov Bordeleau Coe
Balcers Weatherby Weisblatt

now doesn’t that look like a good balence of vets and youth and skill?
and we have to give up quality to get quality!!!

16 déc. 2021 à 11 h 43

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Quoting: Rob32sjsharks

I love Hertl, but I’m personally of the mindset that it’s best for the team to move on from him. We need to get younger and use ELCs to hold us through the tail end of the big contracts.

16 déc. 2021 à 12 h 14

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Quoting: Bias_it_self

I love Hertl, but I’m personally of the mindset that it’s best for the team to move on from him. We need to get younger and use ELCs to hold us through the tail end of the big contracts.

I would never argue that logic. If I was GM and more importantly had the ownerships blessing (this is something most ACGM don't think about! owners want to win just as bad as fans and they make quick bad judgements on GM jobs when they feel the GM isn't helping their team win) I would be a seller this trade deadline and try and move Hertl, Reimer, Simek, Bonino, and Clogliano for as much as I can get for them. I would also listen to offers for Knyzhov, Balcers, Barabanov, Nieto, but these 4 would have to come with good offers as I do like their play and feel they are valuable to us now and in the next few years.
I would try and open up as much cap space as I could, I would give our scouting team all the resources I could and try and have another draft like we did in 2020 and 2021 (both extremely good drafts for us).
with another above average 2022 draft consisting of 2 firsts and a plethora of mid round picks, combined with a few prospects we get from the deadline trade we would then have a legit top 5 prospect pool.

Sign a few short term deals with older vets (1-3 years) to bridge the gap from now till the prospects start making the team. (Bordeleau, Robins, Coe, Weisblatt, I would assume all still play in the minors or college next year and then they start making the team 23/24) and try and build a team that is good in the regular season but built for the playoffs. my hope would be to be a legit cup contender by 25/26 season.

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16 déc. 2021 à 12 h 54

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Quoting: Rob32sjsharks

All well said! I would be interested to see if we could draft with three 1st. Our own, 1st from a Hertl trade, and a 1st from a Reimer trade. Maybe move Reimer when his value is through the roof.

16 déc. 2021 à 12 h 57

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Quoting: ricochetii

I've seen you say this a few times and I don't think it means what you think.
It means you appreciate the trade and would like to do further business next time, in this context.

Chris Tierney for a 3rd round pick?

Don't worry, he knows what it means and I'll say the same as him "Thank you, Come again."

Tierney was worth much more than that just 2 years ago but Pierre Dorion has absolutely no idea what asset management is

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16 déc. 2021 à 14 h 11

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Quoting: Bias_it_self

All well said! I would be interested to see if we could draft with three 1st. Our own, 1st from a Hertl trade, and a 1st from a Reimer trade. Maybe move Reimer when his value is through the roof.

don't think Reimer gets you a first without adding 50% retention and a 3rd. but his play might pry a first from a desperate gm.

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23 déc. 2021 à 18 h 19

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Quoting: Rob32sjsharks

Bro, the 2022 and 23 drafts are loaded through the first rounds and second rounds lmaoo, no one in the right mide would trade a 1st of a **** team in the best draft we've seen in 5 years and a top 6 potential prospect for a 30 year old RW, Doug is cleary looking to the future and a 3rd for Tierney is horendous as well he isnt good we can just sign him in FA if we really need him

23 déc. 2021 à 18 h 20

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Quoting: Rob32sjsharks

Yes I totally agree with this but the Toffoli trade is pretty lobsided.

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23 déc. 2021 à 18 h 25

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Quoting: Phippsy87

I just like what Toffoli brings and we BADLY need a RW RHS top 6 guy now and for the next 3-4 years before guys like Coe, Robins, Weisblatt and Reedy can get a chance to prove they belong in that roll.
I hate trading picks and prospects for older players but Toffoli deal is + for a player of his caliber so a 1st and prospect would be warranted.
this is one of those deals that might end up looking bad in the long term, but if we draft in the 16-20 area I don't think we get a player of Toffoli caliber.

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