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2021-22 Kordic for Courtnall v2

Créé par: Britishbulldog
Équipe: 2021-22 Maple Leafs de Toronto
Date de création initiale: 3 déc. 2021
Publié: 3 déc. 2021
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This is my 2nd and last one. The 1st time it was clear that people's opinion of Nylander was held way above what Josh Anderson would bring to a team.

How about with Tom Wilson?

Nylander has a significantly higher hockey IQ than Wilson as well as the high skill to pull it off what he sees possible. He is also younger. Although he has been more engaged physically this year he still tries to avoid it unlike almost every other Leaf player this season who seem to be laying it on the line (Tavares, Kase, Sandin, etc).

Wilson is a beast who has very few in the league who can match/beat him physically. Playing on the top line he has amassed a lot of points this year. He also doesn't seem to think straight sometimes though like our beloved Kadri with his inexcusable 3 playoff suspensions.

In the playoffs with the increased intensity but also tighter defense who do you think tip the Leafs fortune for a series win?

...AND should the GMs do it? I see the benefit for the Leafs having either player so I don't know the answer.
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3 déc. 2021 à 20 h 55
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This has been proposed countless times on here and every time it gets shot down by Caps fans
3 déc. 2021 à 21 h 3
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Gee, it's hardly a Kordic for Courtnall comparison. Wilson was infinitely better hockey player than Kordic. Courtnall at the time wasn't playing well for the Leafs, Nylander was the best Leaf in last years playoffs.
But lets go back to the history of the Kordic trade. The game before the trade the Oilers had come into MLG and manhandled the Leafs, and targeted Borje Salming. Remember her the trade was made in the mid 80s where fighters were a necessary part of the game/team. So the Leafs traded for Kordic whihdc for that year and especially the next gave the Leafs necessary toughness.
Personally I don't think the trade ws a bad as many make out.
3 déc. 2021 à 21 h 7
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Much like that awful deal this is not a good idea

Why cite one of by far the worst trades of the Har*ld freaking Ball*rd era (one of the worst of all time too naturally) as a way to promote an idea... might as well just say it's the "Battlefield Earth (2000)" of trades... may I suggest hiring a new marketing team here

Naturally it's much closer in value but...

Still the same structural problems as that

Physicality was ancillary in hockey back then

It's a fringe factor now (10% of interactions max)

Nylander is an elite W

2.4 PrPts/60 last 3 years corsi out the whazoo

Almost identical to Marner (better corsi tho)

Sublime talent 🎑
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3 déc. 2021 à 21 h 10
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yep, leafs still keep the better player
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3 déc. 2021 à 21 h 39
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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
This has been proposed countless times on here and every time it gets shot down by Caps fans


I guess that is what I don't get. I think everyone realizes that Nylander is the better player but they still prefer a throw back style player who can sometimes 'will' the puck in the net whereas on a scoring chance Nylander will rarely miss but also will never throw the big hit or fight.

Just testing the climate here one last time this season.
3 déc. 2021 à 21 h 54
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I guess that is what I don't get. I think everyone realizes that Nylander is the better player but they still prefer a throw back style player who can sometimes 'will' the puck in the net whereas on a scoring chance Nylander will rarely miss but also will never throw the big hit or fight.

Just testing the climate here one last time this season.


What exactly makes Nylander the better player? Wilson provides way more intangibles, cost less, and has just as good production
3 déc. 2021 à 21 h 59
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Gee, it's hardly a Kordic for Courtnall comparison. Wilson was infinitely better hockey player than Kordic. Courtnall at the time wasn't playing well for the Leafs, Nylander was the best Leaf in last years playoffs.
But lets go back to the history of the Kordic trade. The game before the trade the Oilers had come into MLG and manhandled the Leafs, and targeted Borje Salming. Remember her the trade was made in the mid 80s where fighters were a necessary part of the game/team. So the Leafs traded for Kordic whihdc for that year and especially the next gave the Leafs necessary toughness.
Personally I don't think the trade ws a bad as many make out.


That's absolutely ridiculous and unscrupulous

1. Obv acquiring an enforcer is one of the easiest things ever and shouldn't come at the cost of a promising 23 year old, who hit 40-70 points yearly

Dave Semenko was traded for a late 3rd in 1986 when he was 2x as coveted an enforcer as Kordic, had two Stanley cup rings and hit 20ish points yearly

2. The league using enforcers to 'pol*ce' the league instead of department of player safety discipline, was a human rights violation and completely misguided

You actually just defended one of the worst trades of the Har*ld freaking Ball*rd era like... I'm kinda in shock that someone did that in 2021... 😳
3 déc. 2021 à 22 h 8
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That's absolutely ridiculous and unscrupulous

1. Obv acquiring an enforcer is one of the easiest things ever and shouldn't come at the cost of a promising 23 year old, who hit 40-70 points yearly

Dave Semenko was traded for a late 3rd in 1986 when he was 2x as coveted an enforcer as Kordic, had two Stanley cup rings and hit 20ish points yearly

2. The league using enforcers to 'pol*ce' the league instead of department of player safety discipline, was a human rights violation and completely misguided

You actually just defended one of the worst trades of the Har*ld freaking Ball*rd era like... I'm kinda in shock that someone did that in 2021... 😳


Sorry you don't appreciate the era when the trade was made. Your Number 2 is absolutely ridiculous and unscrupulous. Sorry your silly rant against the trade for THAT reason is childish a reaction for a trade that you didn't like.
Now, I didn't defend the trade as you suggest but your hate for my assessment seems to clouded your judgement what I actually wrote.
3 déc. 2021 à 22 h 15
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If this does happen hopefully Wilson doesn’t fall into the same traps as Kordic
3 déc. 2021 à 22 h 46
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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
What exactly makes Nylander the better player? Wilson provides way more intangibles, cost less, and has just as good production


I guess I was looking at the goal production of Nylander while being 2 years younger compared to Wilson's which isn't an exact science but is basically my level of skill in comparing players. I was kind of hoping that those folks here who compare Corsi, etc could give a perspective:

games/goals. games/goals
YEAR. Nylander. Wilson
16-17. 81 / 22. 82 / 7
17-18. 82 / 20. 78 / 14
18-19. 54 / 7. 63 / 22. (Nylander held out in a contract dispute until the last minute...literally and never was able to get it going)
19-20. 68 / 31. 68 / 21
20-21. 51 / 17. 47 / 13
21-22. 24 / 10. 24 / 8

...but I agree with the intangibles of Wilson as well as being $1.8 MIL cheaper. A few years ago I think every Leaf fan would have made the trade. Now with how Nylander is playing (like being on the PP1 as well as the PK, back checking, etc which I hadn't seen out of him ever before) I don't think it is a slam dunk anymore. I haven't had chance to watch many Washington games this year so I don't know how complete a player Wilson is in comparison. But I also am a biased Leaf fan and I really appreciate the perspective of others being shared in a decent manner like this.
3 déc. 2021 à 22 h 47
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If this does happen hopefully Wilson doesn’t fall into the same traps as Kordic


Yeah, that was tragic. I remember reading how his coach would join him on the roof and talk him down. The addictions were brutal.
 
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