They don't. If we wanted a roster player we would just keep Boeser.

Fair. Though if they're going to go for pure futures to start a rebuild situation, it's insane to me that they're still letting Jim Benning call the shots.

Oh 100% he can't be allowed to make any kind of trade

How has OEL looked?

Really good actually. Honestly, the entire defense at 5 on 5 has been pretty good

Then what has been the issue. On paper this looks like a deep playoff team with the exception of RD

Looking at this trade, adding Connor Brown to this package is a red flag for me.

Scoring and special teams. Their PK has been really really bad

Scoring issues is surprising but Pk I get it

I'm not really worried about the scoring it's only a matter of time before Pettersson and Boeser are back to normal. It sounds like Boeser is playing injured which would explain a lot

it's a lil much for Boeser, I think Brown alone is better than him, but Boeser does have 40 goal potential. idk, tough deal

We're quick to blame the gm.. but when you look at all of Benning's trades, they've turned out good for the most part (even if he gets it wrong, he finds a way to correct it, such as Gudbranson for Pearson). Now, when we look at coaching, we can see the Canucks have been trending in a dangerous direction for years. Under Green, the Canucks have the 27th worst record in the NHL. Our powerplay during that time frame was ranked 14th in the league with a 20% success rate (1 goal every 5 PP for on AVG), our PK, however, 26th at 78.8% (a hair under 1 goal allowed every 5 pp against on AVG). People say that our special teams (especially PK) have been way better until this year, so here are our year-on-year placings since green took over which show that our special teams under Green have been trending to be a middle of the pack at best:

2017-2018 (Sedin twins' last year): PP - 9th overall, 21.5% | PK - 21st overall, 78.3%
2018-2019: PP - 22nd overall, 17.1% | PK - 11th overall, 81.1%
2019-2020: PP - 4th overall, 24.2% | PK - 16th overall, 80.5%
2020-2021: PP - 25th overall, 17.4% | PK - 17th overall, 79.8%
2021-2022 (so far): PP - 23rd overall, 16.2% | PK - 32nd overall, 62.3%
(the inconsistencies from year to year, especially on our powerplay is very alarming, as our powerplay was considered a "strength" under green given our personnel. This shows that our powerplay relies more on chance/luck than it does on Green.

General excuses for poor performances in recent years:

1. Poor faceoff percentages: Our centres during Green's tenure have been ranked 8th league-wide, with 51.2% FOW.
2. Our team can sustain defensive negligence like Toronto, as we are offensively heavy: Our team ranks 24th in GF/GP with 2.77. Our GA/GP ranks 26th at 3.15. Additionally, we are 6th in shots against during Green's tenure sitting at an average of 32.5 SA/GP. We sit 26th in SF/GP with 30.2.
3. We manage to grind out results and get OT points: Well, actually, we sit 27th league-wide in points, with a .481 p%.

It is easy to blame personnel. We like to do so quite often in Vancouver. That's why previous GM's such as Mike Gillis & coaches such as AV were let go. But, how often do we actually have a clear-cut answer that our current system is doing us little favours? Our goalies are being overworked, a lot of our wins, we owe to Marky and Demmer playing unbelievably well. We could not sustain the luck we had at the beginning of Green's tenure, and it shows. If we don't move on from him, it'll only get worse. Any improvement on the ice is tied to the players, and them alone. I cannot find a single thing that Green has done to improve our players minus bag skates and the ever so common dump and chase tactic (you know its a problem when a player like EP40 is favouring a dump and chase rather than playing to his own skills).

Compare it to Eichel's package...

Alex Tuch vs Connor Brown

Peyton Krebs vs Alex Formenton

2022 1st round pick (VGK) (top-10 protected) vs Erik Brannstrom + two 2nd round picks


I know Connor Brown is massively underrated and Tuch is probably overrated (he's one of my favorite non Sens players though) but this is kinda close.

Erik Brannstrom and two 2nds is certainly worth a non top-10 pick and the difference between Krebs and Formenton (which is not that big)

But here's the thing ...


This is a package for Brock Boeser.


He's not exactly the same player as Eichel.

Getting Boeser could really help but I don't think people realize how much losinjg Brown would hurt... Boeser would be a big add offensviely but then you lose your best 2-way player

So paying an elite speed young forward in Formenton, a young PMD in Brannstrom and two good picks on top of Brown would be quite the price to pay.

I'd like to find a way but I can't see this package not Duchene-ing ourselves in the end.

At least I'm not one of those people.

The problem with Boeser is, he is injury prone, other than last years shortened season, he has missed 15+ games in each year he has played, OTT would be trading one hell of a 2 way player in Brown for 60ish games of Boeser and maybe playoffs depending on when he gets injured