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Créé par: Caniac2000
Équipe: 2021-22 Hurricanes de la Caroline
Date de création initiale: 5 nov. 2021
Publié: 5 nov. 2021
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
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1 2 and 3 from 2018

Yes, the value is off, this is just for fun.
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  1. Drury, Jack
  2. Suzuki, Ryan
  3. Choix de 1e ronde en 2023 (CAR)
  4. Choix de 1e ronde en 2024 (CAR)
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5 nov. 2021 à 16 h 55
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Thats awful for Buffalo. Would you trade Svechnikov and Korki for that package?
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5 nov. 2021 à 17 h 29
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Thats awful for Buffalo. Would you trade Svechnikov and Korki for that package?


Two unprotected firsts and 2 very good prospects that play the most important position on the ice for a D man who has struggled badly the last 18 months and a good but not great 3rd line winger? Yes. Yes I would.
5 nov. 2021 à 19 h 8
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Two unprotected firsts and 2 very good prospects that play the most important position on the ice for a D man who has struggled badly the last 18 months and a good but not great 3rd line winger? Yes. Yes I would.

Sometimes I feel that he and I rarely agree, but the disdain for Olofsson on this site is absurd. And yet he’s being dealt to 3 new teams a week in AGMs. Buffalo has no plans to move him, he remains an RFA at season’s end and he’s a producer. Not only can he shoot the puck, he’s beginning to show flashes of playmaking ability that people haven’t been from him before. Calling him a 3rd line winger is an insult, unless every player on your top 6 is a 30+ goal guy.
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Sometimes I feel that he and I rarely agree, but the disdain for Olofsson on this site is absurd. And yet he’s being dealt to 3 new teams a week in AGMs. Buffalo has no plans to move him, he remains an RFA at season’s end and he’s a producer. Not only can he shoot the puck, he’s beginning to show flashes of playmaking ability that people haven’t been from him before. Calling him a 3rd line winger is an insult, unless every player on your top 6 is a 30+ goal guy.


Take a chill pill. Even Ryan Dzingel has a 26 goal year, and he's a 3rd liner. This is nothing against Olofsson as a guy, he's great depth, but he's not more than that on a contending team.
5 nov. 2021 à 20 h 55
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Two unprotected firsts and 2 very good prospects that play the most important position on the ice for a D man who has struggled badly the last 18 months and a good but not great 3rd line winger? Yes. Yes I would.


So straight up, Svechnikov + Kotkaniemi for Suzuki + Drury + 1st + 1st? You would do that? Lets assume Florida is the team offering Suzuki, Drury, and the picks so you have an idea of where the 1sts will fall
6 nov. 2021 à 15 h 30
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So straight up, Svechnikov + Kotkaniemi for Suzuki + Drury + 1st + 1st? You would do that? Lets assume Florida is the team offering Suzuki, Drury, and the picks so you have an idea of where the 1sts will fall


Except, that's not the same at all. Dahlin has not been even in the same realm as Svechnikov in the last 2 years. Let's get real here. We're not talking about trading for a top 10 winger in the NHL, we're talking about a former 1st overall pick struggling on the worst team in the league
6 nov. 2021 à 16 h 24
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Except, that's not the same at all. Dahlin has not been even in the same realm as Svechnikov in the last 2 years. Let's get real here. We're not talking about trading for a top 10 winger in the NHL, we're talking about a former 1st overall pick struggling on the worst team in the league


So basically you think a player is bad because his team is bad. I guess Chychrun is overpaid in your eyes. Dahlin is still definitely worth Svechnikov
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6 nov. 2021 à 16 h 54
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So basically you think a player is bad because his team is bad. I guess Chychrun is overpaid in your eyes. Dahlin is still definitely worth Svechnikov


Uhh, what?

Dahlin's always been poor in his own end, but now his offense has dried up and you think he's worth a top 10 winger in the NHL? I want what you're on.
6 nov. 2021 à 17 h 36
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Take a chill pill. Even Ryan Dzingel has a 26 goal year, and he's a 3rd liner. This is nothing against Olofsson as a guy, he's great depth, but he's not more than that on a contending team.
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Except, that's not the same at all. Dahlin has not been even in the same realm as Svechnikov in the last 2 years. Let's get real here. We're not talking about trading for a top 10 winger in the NHL, we're talking about a former 1st overall pick struggling on the worst team in the league
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So basically you think a player is bad because his team is bad. I guess Chychrun is overpaid in your eyes. Dahlin is still definitely worth Svechnikov
@Caniac2000 I am confused, you tell us Olofsson and Dahlin are not that good yet you are willing to trade two firsts and two of Carolina's better prospects for them.
Which is it?
You cannot have it both ways.
IMO you are trying to get two good players and convince the Sabre fans that you are over paying for them.
Let me explain, Dahlin is still over 0.5 pts/gm over his career and this year.
Yes he makes poor decisions but he is only 21, too young to give up on him.
IMO Buffalo will keep them unless it is a super over pay which this is not.
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6 nov. 2021 à 17 h 46
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Uhh, what?

Dahlin's always been poor in his own end, but now his offense has dried up and you think he's worth a top 10 winger in the NHL? I want what you're on.


Doesnt Svechnikov have to be a top 10 winger to be called a top 10 winger? Hes off to a good start but there are definitely at least 10 wingers I would take before him without hesitation.
Defense always take longer to develop, and Dahlin is playing on an awful team, whereas Svech is not. I would personally still rather have Dahlin if building a team
6 nov. 2021 à 17 h 51
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Caniac2000 I am confused, you tell us Olofsson and Dahlin are not that good yet you are willing to trade two firsts and two of Carolina's better prospects for them.
Which is it?
You cannot have it both ways.
IMO you are trying to get two good players and convince the Sabre fans that you are over paying for them.
Let me explain, Dahlin is still over 0.5 pts/gm over his career and this year.
Yes he makes poor decisions but he is only 21, too young to give up on him.
IMO Buffalo will keep them unless it is a super over pay which this is not.


I gave up 2 late 1sts, a 22 year old C who hasn't played in the NHL and a prospect with permanent eye damage for them.

I wouldn't give up anything more than a late 2nd/early 3rd for Olofsson, and he's just a temporary plug until Nino is healthy. He's likely a 4th liner in Carolina because he's a good depth piece. He was a throw in, the real piece here was Dahlin.

The reason the price is what it is has nothing to do with what Dahlin is right now. He's been cataclysmic in the Buffalo downfall. This is for his once FRANCHISE changing potential. He's nothing more than a reclamation project right now. I hope for the game of hockey and the player he's reclaimed. He still shows flashes of brilliance.
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Doesnt Svechnikov have to be a top 10 winger to be called a top 10 winger? Hes off to a good start but there are definitely at least 10 wingers I would take before him without hesitation.
Defense always take longer to develop, and Dahlin is playing on an awful team, whereas Svech is not. I would personally still rather have Dahlin if building a team


Svech is not playing on an awful team because Svech makes this a not awful team. He's very good at carrying this team. And he is EASILY a top 10 winger, he's 7 or 8 in the league. Dahlin's struggles are really bad right now. In a redraft, I would have a tough time saying Dahlin goes in either of the top 2 places, and Svech is likely the hindsight unanimous number 1 pick.
6 nov. 2021 à 19 h 8
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Svech is not playing on an awful team because Svech makes this a not awful team. He's very good at carrying this team. And he is EASILY a top 10 winger, he's 7 or 8 in the league. Dahlin's struggles are really bad right now. In a redraft, I would have a tough time saying Dahlin goes in either of the top 2 places, and Svech is likely the hindsight unanimous number 1 pick.


Panarin, Ovi, Marchand, Pasta, Marner, Stone, Kucherov, Kane, Tkachuk, Rantanen, Guentzel, Stamkos, Gaudreau, Connor. Im probably missing a few too.

Hes also definitely not carrying the team, hes an active member of the teams all around success. Dahlin's not even struggling. Hes just literally on a bad team. Look at Chychrun, hes one of the best young defense in the entire league and has zero points this year so far.
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Panarin, Ovi, Marchand, Pasta, Marner, Stone, Kucherov, Kane, Tkachuk, Rantanen, Guentzel, Stamkos, Gaudreau, Connor. Im probably missing a few too.

Hes also definitely not carrying the team, hes an active member of the teams all around success. Dahlin's not even struggling. Hes just literally on a bad team. Look at Chychrun, hes one of the best young defense in the entire league and has zero points this year so far.


You're special if you'd take Marner, Tkachuk, Pasta, Guentzel, Connor or Gaudreau over Svechnikov. Stamkos is also a C who plays on the wing, not a winger. He's spent the bulk of his career at C. So you named 7. That's a top 10 winger, my guy!

And Dahlin is struggling, he has been the last 2 years. Defensively mainly. His offense you can argue hasn't been helped by the drop off in forward production, but his D has gotten really bad.

Dahlin is not chychurn, and I would argue Chychurn has struggled at times this year too. Really didn't look good against Carolina.
9 nov. 2021 à 12 h 53
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You're special if you'd take Marner, Tkachuk, Pasta, Guentzel, Connor or Gaudreau over Svechnikov. Stamkos is also a C who plays on the wing, not a winger. He's spent the bulk of his career at C. So you named 7. That's a top 10 winger, my guy!

And Dahlin is struggling, he has been the last 2 years. Defensively mainly. His offense you can argue hasn't been helped by the drop off in forward production, but his D has gotten really bad.

Dahlin is not chychurn, and I would argue Chychurn has struggled at times this year too. Really didn't look good against Carolina.


Wow you are homer, it's not "special" all those players are legitimately better, hell could add Kaprizov to that list too. And Stamkos has played on the wing for 3 seasons now, that would qualify him as a winger, same thing happened with Giroux.
9 nov. 2021 à 13 h 8
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Wow you are homer, it's not "special" all those players are legitimately better, hell could add Kaprizov to that list too. And Stamkos has played on the wing for 3 seasons now, that would qualify him as a winger, same thing happened with Giroux.


Stamkos didn't play for one of those seasons, and still plays C on the powerplay... he's a center. Svech is better than Tkachuk, Guentzel, Guadreau and Connor easily. I can, have, and will make the case he's better than Marner. He's a top 10 winger, deal with it!
9 nov. 2021 à 13 h 13
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Stamkos didn't play for one of those seasons, and still plays C on the powerplay... he's a center. Svech is better than Tkachuk, Guentzel, Guadreau and Connor easily. I can, have, and will make the case he's better than Marner. He's a top 10 winger, deal with it!


Strongly disagree.

And taking face offs on the powerplay doesn't make you a center. DeBrincat takes faceoffs in overtime, does that .ake him a center?
 
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