Fabbro is worth waaaaaay more

Are you sure? I thought the value was pretty close. What would the pens add?

Dman usually take 5 years to fully develop and see what they actually are. Fabbro is already playing on the top line with Josi, if not 2nd line duty. He's worth a first+ i think atm, and i highly doubt Preds are looking to ship him off

I'm gonna have to disagree. While yes it takes a bit to fully develop, I dont think your getting a first unless it's a contending team. That's just me though so I could be completely wrong

I doubt Toronto is taking 3M of cap back for 2M cap hit Holl, but a lot of Toronto fans will love the opportunity to play Liljegren more, if they do. They counter by adding Ritchie. Your move.

Tbh, Riikola probably gets dumped in the AHL and comes up every once in a while

They don't have a better #7D, then. I think ZAR could be a good fit with them, but his cap doesn't easily work, on their side. Each team is near the limit, wondering what they'll do if a Russian guy on LTIR gets healthy. So I think they'd consider Holl for Riikola, but another taker might be necessary for ZAR.

edit: Interesting. I built it from Tor's side, like you said, waiving Riikola. If Mikheyev is done for the season, and they call up Biega or Dahlstrom at #7, they're under the cap with a one year rental on Aston-Reece, carrying 22 people. Neat. But if they have a chance to bring Mikheyev back, since he already has experience as a top six left wing on their team, I think he'd be the priority, in which case you're more likely looking at Riikola and a pick for Holl. A year ago I would have said a 2nd, but Holl is off to a slow start, and if you're offering cap space to activate Mikheyev, maybe it's a late pick.

That's exactly why they wouldn't trade him though. Preds are "competitively rebuilding" so trading a young potential top 4 dman isn't on their agenda

Riikola is a replacement level 7/8 dman
Reese is a 27 year old bottom 6 that is a ufa at the end of the season

No, that doesn’t get you Fabbro (a 23 year old dman that is cost controlled and can play 1st or 2nd pairing minutes).

Nashville has no use for either of the two players offered but it does have a use for a 23 year old dman like Fabbro.

I could see Fabbro being made available, if Myers gets another chance in the lineup, and clicks with one of Josi or Ekholm. Not for that return though. Some waiver wire fodder, and a nothing pick isn't going to get it done.

Holl obviously doesn't hold the same value as Fabbro, but I can't see TOR considering that either. They're getting essentially nothing back in return, and they don't have the cap space to make that trade anyway.

Makes sense

Fabbro kind of fell out of favor with Nashville last season. Got benched in the SC finals too(for Ben Harpur). His Goals above replacement is awful. He’s 23 and hasn’t shown much of anything so far in Nashville.

I would think Nashville would ask for a 1st and a prospect for Fabbro but I doubt they’d get it; seeing as Fabbro has proved and provided nothing in Nashville so far. I’d bet they’d take a 3rd and a 5th when it came down to it.

And just so u know. Not even being a Pens “homer” or having my “home team rose colored glasses on”. What people don’t understand about ZAR is:

He was a top scorer, top NCAA free agent signing, Hobey Baker runner up(31 goals and 32 assists in 36 games his senior season).

He completely transformed his game to become a top PK, Selke vote getting, top defensive forward in the NHL. And still contributes offensively enough.

If he signed elsewhere he probably would’ve had an opportunity as a top 6; atleast a mid 6.

But he still contributes offensively enough too. He has 8-9 goals and 130 plus hits playing just 40 or so games each of his 3 seasons. Mainly b/c his body probably can’t/won’t hold up to a full 82 game season. Even at 6’1-205 pounds.

But if he did play a full 82, he would easily be a 200 plus Hit player and close to a 20 goal scorer(with no PP time and 3rd-4th line minutes).

Put him on the 2nd PP unit and plant him in the crease and I would imagine his production goes way up too. And still a top PK player and a top defensive forward in NHL. He’s an analytics darling too.

In my opinion, i agree with this ACGM. It would be just good asset management getting something for him now. Not that he’s not needed or unwanted.

He’ll be 27 years old, coming into his prime and looking for a long term deal next season. I would imagine 3-5 years and something around 2M-3.5M per. And a bigger opportunity.

And most likely, he’ll get it elsewhere. I can’t see, or don’t think, the Pens should match any offer over 2.25M-2.5M per. I think he’ll get atleast MCGinn money(2.75M for 5 years).

I would think the Pens could get a 2nd or 3rd from a contender for a ZAR rental(low number to fit under the cap). A 3rd and a 5th would most likely do it.

HUGE no from NSH!!

The value is definitely there, just might not be what players there looking for

Don't need ZAR, we already have too much bottom 6 forwards and he wouldn't even make the roster, Rikkola also wouldn't make the roster over Carrier, Myers and Benning and the 5th is nothing, Gonna cost a 1st at least

a 1st?? Your outta your mind. If Fabro is worth a first then Pettersson is, so think about what you just said

No, Fabbro has higher potential and is only 23

Pettersson is better and has been better every year that Fabbro has been in the league. Never a minus(-) for a season yet; plus(+)46 for his career. Moves the puck well and contributes offensively enough.

2 useless players and a 5th is not good value

I think Pettersson’s perceived value is held back by his contract and people seemingly wanting offensive output above defense. I personally don’t mind it tbh and think he’d be a good add if we needed LHD. If we were to lose Ekholm, I’d gladly take Pettersson and his contract. I wouldn’t pay a first bc I can see it being a lottery pick (if we were in the playoffs I’d consider it but that’s just me)