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Updated Potential Eichel Trade With Talk Heating Up

Créé par: Ledge_And_Dairy
Équipe: 2021-22 Flames de Calgary
Date de création initiale: 6 oct. 2021
Publié: 6 oct. 2021
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
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At this rate I feel like Guddy's not going to make the starting lineup so I don't think he would have much issue with being moved so he can play.

When Eichel is healthy Froese gets sent down to the AHL

I could also see Buffalo adding a couple AHL players for contract limit reasons
Transactions
CGY
  1. Eichel, Jack
Détails additionnels:
Monahan flipped to a 3rd team in this scenario
BUF
  1. Dubé, Dillon
  2. Gudbranson, Erik
  3. Monahan, Sean
  4. Zary, Connor
  5. Choix de 2e ronde en 2022 (FLA)
  6. Choix de 1e ronde en 2023 (CGY)
Détails additionnels:
2023 pick is conditional on Eichel's health, can be moved down to a 2nd or not moved at all depending on how many games Eichel plays
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750 000 $750 000 $
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6 oct. 2021 à 16 h 24
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Buffalo only has 43 contracts I believe
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uh buffalo has no room for Gudbranson
6 oct. 2021 à 16 h 31
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uh buffalo has no room for Gudbranson


You have Mark Pysyk as a regular... I think you have room for Guddy on the 3rd pair
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6 oct. 2021 à 16 h 35
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Eichel for Monahan + Zary + Whynot/Poirier/Stromgren + 1st?


Monahan would be flipped eventually. No need for him.
6 oct. 2021 à 16 h 37
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Eichel for Monahan + Zary + Whynot/Poirier/Stromgren + 1st?


Monahan would be flipped eventually. No need for him.


Cap doesn't work
6 oct. 2021 à 16 h 38
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Cap doesn't work


How would you adjust? Lucic? Backlund?
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Buffalo only has 43 contracts I believe


Im curious how that's going to work since they need at least 46 to run both leagues
6 oct. 2021 à 16 h 40
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You have Mark Pysyk as a regular... I think you have room for Guddy on the 3rd pair


Was never really a fan of pysyk. Of course this year means nothing regardless who our third pair right d is. If pysyk gets moved to the press box because we had to take back a guy on a one year deal to make the money work for the right deal, even a guy who is also not a good nhl d, ya know, fine.
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How would you adjust? Lucic? Backlund?


Definitely not Backlund, cant trade 2 healthy NHL centers for an injured 1. Lucic won't waive and Buffalo has bad blood with him afaik
6 oct. 2021 à 16 h 41
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Was never really a fan of pysyk. Of course this year means nothing regardless who our third pair right d is. If pysyk gets moved to the press box because we had to take back a guy on a one year deal to make the money work for the right deal, even a guy who is also not a good nhl d, ya know, fine.


IMO Guddy is ok, he's just being outclassed in camp and is paid too much for what he brings. He's still NHL caliber and should definitely be better than Pysyk
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Definitely not Backlund, cant trade 2 healthy NHL centers for an injured 1. Lucic won't waive and Buffalo has bad blood with him afaik


So if we took Monahan and Gudbranson it would equate to +$10M for Calgary and -$8.3M which works?
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You have Mark Pysyk as a regular... I think you have room for Guddy on the 3rd pair


we have 4 defencemen that id play over gudbranson
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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
You have Mark Pysyk as a regular... I think you have room for Guddy on the 3rd pair


Quoting: Sabres_Insider
we have 4 defencemen that id play over gudbranson


we have 4 defencemen for the 6th D spot that id rather play over gudbranson
6 oct. 2021 à 16 h 52
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Quoting: Stanley_Cup_To_Manhattan
So if we took Monahan and Gudbranson it would equate to +$10M for Calgary and -$8.3M which works?


Maybe, would have to be a 22 man roster then
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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
Im curious how that's going to work since they need at least 46 to run both leagues


Waiver wire baby. 1st priority
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Maybe, would have to be a 22 man roster then


I don't see how this trade would work then tbh
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we have 4 defencemen that id play over gudbranson


I doubt it but lets hear it. Assuming Dahlin, Butcher, Miller, and Joker are your top 4, who are these 4 other defensemen that you would play over Gudbranson? Don't forget you still need a 3LD in there too who will probably be 1 of Bryson or Hagg
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I don't see how this trade would work then tbh


Your offer? That's my point it wouldnt work because of cap. My above offer includes Dube and that fixes the cap issue
6 oct. 2021 à 17 h 28
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Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
Im curious how that's going to work since they need at least 46 to run both leagues


Players signed to AHL contracts don't count.
You won't find Ho-sang on the Leafs' list, for example.
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Players signed to AHL contracts don't count.
You won't find Ho-sang on the Leafs' list, for example.


?

Contract limit between both leagues is 50, you need 46 players though to ice both teams
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Contract limit between both leagues is 50, you need 46 players though to ice both teams


That's for NHL contracts.
You can have 50 NHL contracts and still sign players to AHL contracts. (Plus have exempt contracts that only count toward the 90 player reserve list.

Using Ho-sang as an example, you'll see he is still listed as a UFA and inactive at the NHL level. He's signed to the Marlies on an AHL contract. So the AHL team can still ice a full roster without 23 NHL contracts.
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That's for NHL contracts.
You can have 50 NHL contracts and still sign players to AHL contracts. (Plus have exempt contracts that only count toward the 90 player reserve list.

Using Ho-sang as an example, you'll see he is still listed as a UFA and inactive at the NHL level. He's signed to the Marlies on an AHL contract. So the AHL team can still ice a full roster without 23 NHL contracts.


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That's for NHL contracts.
You can have 50 NHL contracts and still sign players to AHL contracts. (Plus have exempt contracts that only count toward the 90 player reserve list.

Using Ho-sang as an example, you'll see he is still listed as a UFA and inactive at the NHL level. He's signed to the Marlies on an AHL contract. So the AHL team can still ice a full roster without 23 NHL contracts.


Ho-Sang is currently on a PTO, he is not a member of the Leafs at all yet. you can not have more than 50 signed players at a time
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Did you hear otherwise? Winking with Tongue Out

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Ho-Sang is currently on a PTO, he is not a member of the Leafs at all yet. you can not have more than 50 signed players at a time


He's just an example. He signed an AHL contract, not an NHL one. Only NHL contracts count. AHL teams have their own contract rules (which I am not as familiar with) separate from the NHL.
AHL teams are autonomous and have agreements with NHL clubs (when the NHL organization doesn't own the team). If the AHL GM signs a player to a contract, that contract does not affect the NHL club's contract limit.
That would mean an AHL team signing 30 players would limit the NHL team to a 20-man roster. Obviously that doesn't make sense.
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uh buffalo has no room for Gudbranson
Quoting: Ledge_And_Dairy
You have Mark Pysyk as a regular... I think you have room for Guddy on the 3rd pair
Quoting: Stanley_Cup_To_Manhattan
Eichel for Monahan + Zary + Whynot/Poirier/Stromgren + 1st?...
Quoting: sabres89
Was never really a fan of pysyk. Of course this year means nothing regardless who our third pair right d is. If pysyk gets moved to the press box because we had to take back a guy on a one year deal to make the money work for the right deal, even a guy who is also not a good nhl d, ya know, fine.
Let's look at the best parts of the trade.
The Sabres do not retain any of Jack's contract.
Sean and Erik's salary will keep the Sabres above the cap floor.
He is traded to a western team.
This the equivalent of over four first round picks.
Monahan and Dube are equal to about two first.
Zary is at least a first. He will be challenging Casey and Dylan for ice time next year.
Plus a 2023 first and 2022 second.
Whether Pysyk is better, Gudbranson is not a top four RHD but at the TDL when GM's are looking for veteran depth d-men, he would return a pick.
Let me add, he may be just the Defenseman who could help Rasmus reach his potential.
Other than the shortened seasons and 2016-'17 he has played in at least 50 games every year.
Finally, Pysyk could also play RW as Buffalo only has Thompson, Hinostroza and Okposo RH RW.
I see absolutely no downside to this trade.
Picks (first and second), prospects (Zary and Dube), veteran players (Monahan and Gudbranson).
Punches three of the four areas the Sabres need future help, Center, RW and picks.

Now I must ask @Ledge_And_Dairy what do you know that caused you to add a second and Gudbranson to your standard package?

EDIT:
Other GM's have a wanted him.
2019-Feb-25 Traded from Vancouver Canucks to Pittsburgh Penguins for Tanner Pearson,
2019-Oct-25 Traded from Pittsburgh Penguins to Anaheim Ducks for Andreas Martinsen and round 7 pick in the 2021 draft
2020-Oct-08 Traded from Anaheim Ducks to Ottawa Senators for round 5 pick in the 2021 draft
2021-Apr-12 Traded from Ottawa Senators to Nashville Predators for Brandon Fortunato and round 7 pick in the 2023 draft
I think he would return at least a fifth at the TDL, would love to get Pearson, LOL.
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