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Créé par: csick
Date de création initiale: sep 22, 2021
Publié: 22 sep à 16 h 58
Équipe: 2021-22 Sénateurs d'Ottawa
Signatures de joueurs autonomes
RFAANSCAP HIT
Tkachuk, Brady88 500 000 $
Transactions
OTT
  1. Henrique, Adam
Détails additionnels:
Not sure what else would be in the deal
ANA
  1. Tierney, Chris
  2. Brown, Joshua
Rachats de contrats
  • Bobby Ryan: 3 583 333 $
  • Dion Phaneuf: 354 167 $
ANNÉE DE REPÊCHAGERONDE 1RONDE 2RONDE 3RONDE 4RONDE 5RONDE 6RONDE 7
2022
OTT
OTT
TBL
OTT
BOS
VAN
OTT
OTT
OTT
OTT
NYI
SJS
2023
OTT
OTT
OTT
OTT
OTT
OTT
OTT
NSH
2024
OTT
OTT
OTT
OTT
OTT
OTT
OTT
TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS BONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
2181 500 000 $66 623 333 $0 $4 507 500 $14 876 667 $
Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
OTT
Tkachuk, Brady
8 500 000 $
AG, C
UFA - 7
OTT
Norris, Joshua
925 000 $
C
RFA - 1
OTT
Batherson, Drake
4 975 000 $
AD, C
UFA - 6
OTT
Brown, Logan
750 000 $
C
RFA - 1
OTT
Pinto, Shane
925 000 $
C
RFA - 2
OTT
Stützle, Tim
925 000 $
C, AG
RFA - 2
OTT
Paul, Nicholas
1 350 000 $
C, AG
UFA - 1
ANA
Henrique, Adam
5 825 000 $
C
NTC
UFA - 3
OTT
Brown, Connor
3 600 000 $
AG, AD
UFA - 2
OTT
Formenton, Alex
747 500 $
AG
RFA - 1
OTT
White, Colin
4 750 000 $
AD, C
UFA - 4
OTT
Watson, Austin
1 500 000 $
AD, AG
UFA - 2
Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
OTT
Chabot, Thomas
8 000 000 $
DG
UFA - 7
OTT
Zub, Artem
2 500 000 $
DD
UFA - 2
OTT
Murray, Matt
6 250 000 $
G
NTC
UFA - 3
OTT
Brännström, Erik
863 333 $
DD
RFA - 1
OTT
Zaitsev, Nikita
4 500 000 $
DD
NTC
UFA - 3
OTT
Forsberg, Anton
900 000 $
G
UFA - 1
OTT
Del Zotto, Michael
2 000 000 $
DG
UFA - 2
OTT
Holden, Nick
1 700 000 $
DG
UFA - 1
Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
OTT
Mete, Victor
1 200 000 $
DG/DD
RFA - 1

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22 sep à 17 h 06
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I shall maintain that dealing for a 2C with term, the Sens are committing Stützle to the wing, which would be an colossal error.

They need to see if he can play the position first. They will know after testing driving the idea this season if he can make that transition or not.

Given the strength of the division, it's unlikely the Sens make the playoffs (but I see hanging around the mix for a while), so experiment with it so that an informed and, shall I say better, long term solution can be made.
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22 sep à 17 h 20
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Quoting: swinny
I shall maintain that dealing for a 2C with term, the Sens are committing Stützle to the wing, which would be an colossal error.

They need to see if he can play the position first. They will know after testing driving the idea this season if he can make that transition or not.

Given the strength of the division, it's unlikely the Sens make the playoffs (but I see hanging around the mix for a while), so experiment with it so that an informed and, shall I say better, long term solution can be made.


He can’t defend yet , I wouldn’t throw him at centre
22 sep à 17 h 59
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Quoting: csick
He can’t defend yet , I wouldn’t throw him at centre


I said test drive. To see of he can. I would be looking for a shorter term solution. 1-2 years left on the term so on the chance he can, Stützle can transition without the Sens hold the bag on a contract they won't need to carry.
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22 sep à 18 h 41
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Quoting: swinny
I shall maintain that dealing for a 2C with term, the Sens are committing Stützle to the wing, which would be an colossal error.

They need to see if he can play the position first. They will know after testing driving the idea this season if he can make that transition or not.

Given the strength of the division, it's unlikely the Sens make the playoffs (but I see hanging around the mix for a while), so experiment with it so that an informed and, shall I say better, long term solution can be made.


Quoting: swinny
I said test drive. To see of he can. I would be looking for a shorter term solution. 1-2 years left on the term so on the chance he can, Stützle can transition without the Sens hold the bag on a contract they won't need to carry.


The more I read your $hit, the more impre$$ed I get.

This comment isn't limited to this post. You're having quite a day today.
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22 sep à 18 h 44
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The more I read your $hit, the more impre$$ed I get.

This comment isn't limited to this post. You're having quite a day today.


I truly think the Sens have officially committed permanently to Stutzle at wing. When they first drafted him, they said he will get reps at centre his first season but he didn’t. I don’t think they see him playing the centre spot in the nhl
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22 sep à 22 h 36
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Quoting: OldNYIfan
The more I read your $hit, the more impre$$ed I get.

This comment isn't limited to this post. You're having quite a day today.


Thanks! 😆

Hockey pool season is upon me. Thinking cap is seriously on now lol
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22 sep à 22 h 40
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Quoting: csick
I truly think the Sens have officially committed permanently to Stutzle at wing. When they first drafted him, they said he will get reps at centre his first season but he didn’t. I don’t think they see him playing the centre spot in the nhl


It's possible they are thinking this way given they have Norris and Pinto. I for one see that as short sighted thinking. Stützle, Norris, Pinto as your top 3 centres moving forward (assuming Stützle can make that tranistion) would be akin to the Spezza, Fisher, Kelly days. Those Sens team were better than good.

They could run that middle for a decade..... and be better than good. IF Stützle can transition
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22 sep à 22 h 48
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Quoting: swinny
It's possible they are thinking this way given they have Norris and Pinto. I for one see that as short sighted thinking. Stützle, Norris, Pinto as your top 3 centres moving forward (assuming Stützle can make that tranistion) would be akin to the Spezza, Fisher, Kelly days. Those Sens team were better than good.

They could run that middle for a decade..... and be better than good. IF Stützle can transition


Personally I’d rather keep him at LW and look to acquire a centre or draft one. Ideally this team will look something like this eventually:

Stutzle-XXX-Boucher
Tkachuk-Norris-Batherson
Greig-Pinto-Brown
Formenton-White-Sokolov

Chabot-JBD
Sanderson-Zub
Kleven-Thomson

Murray
Gus

I have Boucher there at 1RW to play the Wilson role but you really need that elite 1C. That’s where I’d love a franchise centreman this draft or even a trade for Eichel or Hertl.

If there’s a deal to be made for a top centre using Brannstrom + Pinto + Jarventie and picks , I would do it. Move White up to 3C and put Kelly or Kastelic at 4C.
23 sep à 8 h 56
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Quoting: csick
Personally I’d rather keep him at LW and look to acquire a centre or draft one. Ideally this team will look something like this eventually:

Stutzle-XXX-Boucher
Tkachuk-Norris-Batherson
Greig-Pinto-Brown
Formenton-White-Sokolov

Chabot-JBD
Sanderson-Zub
Kleven-Thomson

Murray
Gus

I have Boucher there at 1RW to play the Wilson role but you really need that elite 1C. That’s where I’d love a franchise centreman this draft or even a trade for Eichel or Hertl.

If there’s a deal to be made for a top centre using Brannstrom + Pinto + Jarventie and picks , I would do it. Move White up to 3C and put Kelly or Kastelic at 4C.


It could very well head that direction- see the Leafs with Nylander..... it was apparent rather quickly he was not going to be an effective NHL centre, hence JT and cap hell.

The Sens have the advantage here of having lower expectations going into the year. Experimenting with Stützle at centre isn't going to change those expectations either. What it will do is highlight what the team's next move will be.

Having said that, your package for a 1C is solid, but, find a 1C that can grow with the group is going to be very difficult (excluding Eichel). Hertl gets you 5 years, but, you could very well end up back at the same spot after that, looking for a 1C. 2 of those years will be spent maturing into a contending team.

Looking over the last year, I was surprised not to find the Sens in the Dubois sweeps (not that they would ever match Laine.... that would have been counterproductive), or even a Reinhart (who is a better winger than centre)..... which suggests to me they are planning to see if Stützle has the potential to make the transition. Bring up those two just on the basis of contract control.

In the interim, a short term deal would be where I head, or a guy like Nick Schmaltz - who can also play wing (gives options).

I think it will definitely be a defining year for the Sens, as I think we will get a very good idea of what that top 6 will look like long term
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23 sep à 9 h 15
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Quoting: swinny
It could very well head that direction- see the Leafs with Nylander..... it was apparent rather quickly he was not going to be an effective NHL centre, hence JT and cap hell.

The Sens have the advantage here of having lower expectations going into the year. Experimenting with Stützle at centre isn't going to change those expectations either. What it will do is highlight what the team's next move will be.

Having said that, your package for a 1C is solid, but, find a 1C that can grow with the group is going to be very difficult (excluding Eichel). Hertl gets you 5 years, but, you could very well end up back at the same spot after that, looking for a 1C. 2 of those years will be spent maturing into a contending team.

Looking over the last year, I was surprised not to find the Sens in the Dubois sweeps (not that they would ever match Laine.... that would have been counterproductive), or even a Reinhart (who is a better winger than centre)..... which suggests to me they are planning to see if Stützle has the potential to make the transition. Bring up those two just on the basis of contract control.

In the interim, a short term deal would be where I head, or a guy like Nick Schmaltz - who can also play wing (gives options).

I think it will definitely be a defining year for the Sens, as I think we will get a very good idea of what that top 6 will look like long term


Yeah like pretty sure the Sens should’ve made an offer on Reinhart , that was a great price
23 sep à 9 h 21
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Quoting: csick
Yeah like pretty sure the Sens should’ve made an offer on Reinhart , that was a great price


Exactly. Why I think they are gonna try Stützle down the middle and gauge things. If they wanted a centre, they were out there for sure.

And next years crop of UFA centres (if Melnyk opens up the pocket book) looks pretty solid if they need to fill a need, or, shuffling could open up the trade market for them.

This year is decision year. No two ways around it.
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23 sep à 12 h 56
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I wouldn't take Henerquie too old for this team and building a top 6. I have a feeling Sens wanna keep Stützle at wing. I also agree with this idea of Boucher with Stutzle and then another top 6 C, where it is Pinto and they stay second line, or Sing/Trade/Draft another player and they become the first line.

Stutzle-XXX-Boucher
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