I hate beating a dead horse, but I think it’s time to start thinking that Strome won’t fetch a 1st. Even as part of a package like this, he’s not a premium asset anymore.

Janmark as a pending UFA just got a 2nd and 3rd. Strome is still far better than Janmark...and cost controlled...and a center.

Very interesting trade IMO. Vegas might still ask for Strome 50% retained in case they want to make another move at the TDL, but that's a minor detail. Vegas is a team with scoring issues (outside of Stone), PP issues overall, and center issues. I really do think Strome fits this team like a glove. William Karlsson will certainly be their #1C, but Stephenson / Strome can center the 2nd and 3rd lines which will essentially be two 2nd lines. Even if Stephenson technically plays on the 2nd line, it'll be utilized like a 3rd line.

I’m aware. How do you reconcile that with the fact that he was a healthy scratch for a good stretch of games last year?

And as for this package, Shaw and his LTIR is the value for VGK. Strome just eats into that.

Struggles to score outside of Stone? Max Patches begs to differ. They also had very solid secondary scoring via Smith, Marches, and Wild Bill. Petro and Theodore?

based on what Jahnmark got us as a UFa rental, why can't Strome? He's way younger and he's better and plays a more premium position

Vegas would need cap relief for any trade nowadays

OK, Patches is a good scorer. Yes, I do agree with you there. But just because you're correct about Patches doesn't make me wrong about their needs being A.) scoring depth B.) PP help C.) a center.

I didn’t say anything about the pp help and center needs. I agree on both of those.

But goal scoring help? They were 3rd last year in goals for and 1st in goals differential. I don’t think that’s the primary need. They’re a pretty deep team, and that’s a large part of why they’ve been such a wagon.

There's no doubt that Strome and JC aren't seeing eye to eye. JC wants his centers to be 2-way hustlers. Strome is a 1-way offensive playmaker. It's just that, this is EXACTLY what Vegas needs. LVK were 22nd in the league for PP% despite being 3rd in the league in scoring. William Karlsson is being asked to do WAY too much. He shouldn't be asked to be on the #1 PP, the #1 PK, AND the #1C....and he is asked to do all of those things. WK is an EXCELLENT 2-way center and a good PKer. Allow him to maximize his efforts in those areas. He's really good, but he's not Crosby.

Vegas is a REALLY good team. They play a great overall 2-way game, but they need to do better on the PP. They also have tons of wingers, but lack center depth. They are also very clearly pulling out all the stops for a cup. They really did just stab the face of their franchise in the back. A Playmaking PP center is the #1 thing they need. CHI can retain on Strome if required, they can send Shaw's LTIR cap. It's just that the return can't be the #60 pick. The #30 pick alone probably doesn't even get it. If you truly go back and look at it from an unbias place...you'll see that the last 4 picks in the 1st round...really don't pan out. Anthony Beauvillier was drafted the same year as Strome. Is he better than Strome? It's debatable. He certainly plays on a better team. But the question isn't whether he's better or not, it's...is he leaps and bounds better? The answer is quite easily No. And Vegas has their window now. You trade away that piece in a nanosecond....AND....Anthony Beauvillier is within the BEST case scenarios. The #30 pick could VERY easily be a complete bust too.

Let's pretend the #30 Pick is exactly as good as Anthony Beauvillier. Would you rather have Anthony Beauvillier 7 years from now in 2028? Or trade away that piece for your cup window?

I'm Stan can actually get a 1st for Strome, he would have been traded long ago.

I disagree. It all comes down to Toews. If Toews can't play...why would he trade away Strome?

Strome to Vegas made sense before they traded for Patrick and Dadanov. Just because everyone disagrees with their signings doesn't mean they don't believe in their roster choices. McKrimmon coached Patrick before he was drafted so he is confident in him. Dadanov was a 20+ goal scorer not long ago and every GM thinks they are smarter then everyone else.

Would Vegas be amazing if they had a true 1C? Yes. Do they think they fixed their roster issue? Probably. They only need Krebs or Patrick to be better than Stephenson and the team becomes a lot more dangerous.

The truly big difference here is that Janmark played and Strome was scratched. I think there is more to Strome than what he showed last year, but I think teams are going to look at him and say, “I’d spend a 3rd to see if there’s something left” and not “I gotta get that guy for my top 6.”

But this isn't true. Strome was injured from Feb 19th to March 18th. That's not a healthy scratch. Janmark played in 41 games for the Hawks until April 8th. Strome was injured for 11 games and played 29 games until April 8th. AT THE ABSOLUTE MOST, there's a potential for 1 single game of what you're saying, but it's more likely he was sat for injury/health reasons.

The healthy scratch stuff actually came after the TDL. Suter was moved to Center which was unexpected and Dach came back and Gaudette was brought in. Strome should NOT be a winger. He's not as good at the wings, and that's ok. Don't expect him to play goalie or as a defenseman either. He's a playmaking center that can help the PP.

I didn't know McKrimmon was Nolan Patrick's coach in juniors. Good Call on that!

I’m talking about being scratched after the TDL. Regardless of why he was moved to wing or was scratched, he wasn’t playing C or playing at all. I think the is still something there with him but he is nowhere near being worth a 1st IMO. I think some team might throw CHI a 2nd, but even then it will be challenging given most of the cap around the league has been eaten up.

Even without Teows and Dach last season, Strome couldn't manage to take and hold one of the Center spots. He does not fit with what Colliton wants to do. He is soft, slow, and a one dimensional player with no compete. This is just my opinion ofc.