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Créé par: dzmets
Date de création initiale: jun 26, 2021
Publié: 27 jun à 8 h 10
Équipe: 2021-22 Sabres de Buffalo
Signatures de joueurs autonomes
RFAANSCAP HIT
Asplund, Rasmus21 250 000 $
Borgen, William2950 000 $
Dahlin, Rasmus34 850 000 $
Jokiharju, Henri32 250 000 $
Mittelstadt, Casey21 750 000 $
Dunn, Vince24 500 000 $
UFAANSCAP HIT
Schenn, Luke2950 000 $
Caggiula, Drake11 150 000 $
Sheahan, Riley11 000 000 $
Hyman, Zach66 000 000 $
Armia, Joel13 500 000 $
Brossoit, Laurent22 000 000 $
CRÉÉANSCAP HIT
Beniers, Matthew3950 000 $
Clarke, Brandt3950 000 $
Transactions
1.
BUF
  1. Dumba, Matt
  2. Boldy, Matthew
  3. Rossi, Marco
  4. 2021 1e round pick (PIT)
MIN
  1. Eichel, Jack
  2. Murray, Brett
  3. 2021 2e round pick (BOS)
Détails additionnels:
Dumba to Winnipeg in 3 way trade
2.
BUF
  1. Harkins, Jansen
  2. 2021 1e round pick (WPG)
  3. 2022 3e round pick (CBJ)
WPG
  1. Dumba, Matt
  2. Bryson, Jacob
3.
BUF
    MIN
    1. Harkins, Jansen
    Détails additionnels:
    Part of 3 way deal with Winnipeg
    4.
    BUF
    1. Merzlikins, Elvis
    2. 2021 1e round pick (CBJ)
    CBJ
    1. Ristolainen, Rasmus
    2. Reinhart, Sam [Droits de RFA]
    3. Pilut, Lawrence [Liste de réserve]
    5.
    BUF
      ANA
      1. Eakin, Cody
      2. 2021 3e round pick (FLA)
      Détails additionnels:
      Expansion Draft
      6.
      BUF
      1. Sundqvist, Oskar
      2. Dunn, Vince [Droits de RFA]
      STL
      1. Olofsson, Victor
      2. 2021 1e round pick (PIT)
      Rachats de contrats
      • Cody Hodgson: 791 667 $
      • Christian Ehrhoff: 0 $
      ANNÉE DE REPÊCHAGERONDE 1RONDE 2RONDE 3RONDE 4RONDE 5RONDE 6RONDE 7
      2021
      BUF
      WPG
      CBJ
      BUF
      MTL
      BUF
      MTL
      BUF
      COL
      BUF
      2022
      BUF
      BUF
      BUF
      CBJ
      BUF
      BUF
      BUF
      2023
      BUF
      BUF
      BUF
      BUF
      BUF
      BUF
      BUF
      TAILLE DE LA FORMATIONPLAFOND SALARIALCAP HITEXCÉDENTS BONISESPACE SOUS LE PLAFOND SALARIAL
      2381 500 000 $64 624 750 $113 916 $850 000 $16 875 250 $
      Ailier gaucheCentreAilier droit
      BUF
      Skinner, Jeff
      9 000 000 $
      AG, AD
      NMC
      UFA - 6
      BUF
      Cozens, Dylan
      894 167 $
      C, AG
      RFA - 2
      Hyman, Zach
      6 000 000 $
      AG, AD
      NMC
      UFA - 7
      BUF
      Asplund, Rasmus
      1 250 000 $
      C, AG
      RFA - 2
      BUF
      Mittelstadt, Casey
      1 750 000 $
      C
      RFA - 3
      BUF
      Thompson, Tage
      1 400 000 $
      C, AD
      RFA - 2
      BUF
      Bjork, Anders
      1 600 000 $
      AG, AD
      RFA - 2
      BUF
      Ruotsalainen, Arttu
      925 000 $
      C, AG
      RFA - 1
      Armia, Joel
      3 500 000 $
      AD, AG
      UFA - 4
      BUF
      Girgensons, Zemgus
      2 200 000 $
      C, AG
      UFA - 2
      STL
      Sundqvist, Oskar
      2 750 000 $
      C, AD
      UFA - 2
      BUF
      Okposo, Kyle
      6 000 000 $
      AD
      NTC
      UFA - 2
      Défenseur gaucherDéfenseur droitierGardien de but
      BUF
      Dahlin, Rasmus
      4 850 000 $
      DG
      RFA - 3
      BUF
      Jokiharju, Henri
      2 250 000 $
      DD
      RFA - 3
      CBJ
      Merzlikins, Elvis
      4 000 000 $
      G
      UFA - 1
      Dunn, Vince
      4 500 000 $
      DG/DD
      RFA - 2
      BUF
      Borgen, William
      950 000 $
      DD
      RFA - 2
      Brossoit, Laurent
      2 000 000 $
      G
      UFA - 2
      BUF
      Samuelsson, Mattias
      925 000 $
      DG
      RFA - 2
      BUF
      Miller, Colin
      3 875 000 $
      DD
      UFA - 1
      Laissés de côtéListe des blessés (IR)Liste des blessés à long terme (LTIR)
      BUF
      Sheahan, Riley
      1 000 000 $
      AG, C
      UFA - 1
      Schenn, Luke
      950 000 $
      DD
      UFA - 2
      BUF
      Caggiula, Drake
      1 150 000 $
      AG, AD
      UFA - 1

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      27 jun à 9 h 59
      #1
      mokumboi
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      Hard pass from STL. Olofsson is a worse one-trick pony than Hoffman and I can't imagine a world where they'd swap Sunny for him.
      27 jun à 10 h 09
      #2
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      WPG takes that deal and runs
      27 jun à 10 h 40
      #3
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      Quoting: hwjw
      WPG takes that deal and runs


      I agree, a mid 1st and future 3rd plus a Bottom 6 forward for Dumba Is probably light. I think swapping the 3rd for a prospect would be more realistic. Jets have more prospect depth at D, but I think Buf would be looking for forwards, where the Jets pool is quite shallow.
      hwjw a aimé ceci.
      27 jun à 10 h 48
      #4
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      #5 OA *AND* Elvis for Reinhart and some spare parts?

      My dude…
      27 jun à 11 h 24
      #5
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      Quoting: dopplsan
      #5 OA *AND* Elvis for Reinhart and some spare parts?

      My dude…


      Assuming Jones is traded, Risto would be in your top 4 and Pilut would be in the top 6. Reinhart is a much better player than the Jets likely get at 5. He has outproduced just about every 5 o/a pick over the last 15 years with the exception of Kessel and Elias Pettersson. A few of those chosen there have amounted to nothing in the NHL. (Dal Colle, Hayton, Juolevi) He would be your 1C at least for the next couple of years and then if you do find someone elite. He slots nicely into a 2C role
      27 jun à 11 h 45
      #6
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      Quoting: dzmets
      Assuming Jones is traded, Risto would be in your top 4 and Pilut would be in the top 6. Reinhart is a much better player than the Jets likely get at 5. He has outproduced just about every 5 o/a pick over the last 15 years with the exception of Kessel and Elias Pettersson. A few of those chosen there have amounted to nothing in the NHL. (Dal Colle, Hayton, Juolevi) He would be your 1C at least for the next couple of years and then if you do find someone elite. He slots nicely into a 2C role


      Team is rebuilding; sure, some interest in Reinhart, but you’re talking about a guy who is going to maximize production during the next several years - a period when the team around him is likely to be bad. Yes he is likely to be better than whoever is drafted at #5, but that’s also largely because he is 10 years older than whoever is going to be drafted at #5.

      And the whole “Bad Players Have Been Drafted #5” argument doesn’t do much - Petersson, Hanifin, Lindholm, are also recent #5 picks. If the prospect picked there turns out to be as good as them, then awesome.

      Plus, saying “he can be your 1C until you find someone better” avoids an important point - the “someone better” is likely going to be obtained via the draft, since we all know elite 1C’s otherwise hit the FA market all the time. So, not exactly going to be wanting to part with high picks.

      Same principal applies to Risto, a “meh” player who I hear BUF is interested in dumping more than anything. CBJ already have younger D-Men who are going to want/need development time.

      Pilut is signed in the KHL next season, and his Reserve Rights are going to expire in two years; so, if he doesn’t want to play for CBJ, he could just sit in the KHL for another year.

      Elvis is a bright point on this team - a very good player who has talked about how much he wants to be here and re-sign. He’s not going anywhere absent a monster package.
      27 jun à 11 h 56
      #7
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      Modifié 27 jun à 12 h 07
      Quoting: dopplsan
      Team is rebuilding; sure, some interest in Reinhart, but you’re talking about a guy who is going to maximize production during the next several years - a period when the team around him is likely to be bad. Yes he is likely to be better than whoever is drafted at #5, but that’s also largely because he is 10 years older than whoever is going to be drafted at #5.

      And the whole “Bad Players Have Been Drafted #5” argument doesn’t do much - Petersson, Hanifin, Lindholm, are also recent #5 picks. If the prospect picked there turns out to be as good as them, then awesome.

      Plus, saying “he can be your 1C until you find someone better” avoids an important point - the “someone better” is likely going to be obtained via the draft, since we all know elite 1C’s otherwise hit the FA market all the time. So, not exactly going to be wanting to part with high picks.

      Same principal applies to Risto, a “meh” player who I hear BUF is interested in dumping more than anything. CBJ already have younger D-Men who are going to want/need development time.

      Pilut is signed in the KHL next season, and his Reserve Rights are going to expire in two years; so, if he doesn’t want to play for CBJ, he could just sit in the KHL for another year.

      Elvis is a bright point on this team - a very good player who has talked about how much he wants to be here and re-sign. He’s not going anywhere absent a monster package.


      I mentioned Pettersson being better. Reinhart is better than Hanafin even tough it is tough comparing D to a forward. Lindholm is on par with Reinhart. Reinhart is only 7 years older than who you would raft at 5. You are not drafting 15 year olds. The only centers worthy of top 5 consideration this year are talked about as being good 2Cs or a low end 1 C if they hit their ceiling. Beniers who will be gone by 5, Mctavish, Eklund (also likely gone at 5) and Johnson who projects more to the wing. Pilut has an out clause to accept an nhl deal and only left because the Sabres buried him behind lesser players and he saw no path towards playing. Merzlikins may want to stay and perhaps CBJ need to add an a forward prospect Foudy or Texier. Not sure why Columbus would want to hand out a big contract to a goalie while going through a long rebuild
      27 jun à 11 h 59
      #8
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      Quoting: dzmets
      I mentioned Pettersson being better. Reinhart is better than Hanafin even tough it is tough comparing D to a forward. Lindholm is on par with Reinhart. Reinhart is only 7 years older than who you would raft at 5. You are not drafting 15 year olds. The only centers worthy of top 5 consideration this year are talked about as being good 2Cs or a low end 1 C if they hit their ceiling. Beniers who will be gone by 5, Mctavish, Eklund and Johnson who both project more to the wing


      Again, doing the “look at other #5 picks” doesn’t do much. The exercise of comparing draft picks is flawed because it overlooks another point - players available after the pick that could’ve been picked but weren’t.

      And OK, Reinhart is much better *right now* in part because he is *7* years older than them. Every other point remains the same.

      Try and beat the point all you want, this trades not happening.
      27 jun à 12 h 51
      #9
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      The Columbus-Sabres trade is interesting.

      Even rebuilding teams need players, and having a very good goalie can be very important. Player development is tough in the NHL, it involves letting players make mistakes that lead to goals. Too many of those, not only loses, but bad habits and morale issues become a concern. Great goaltending can help reduce that.

      I don’t think Merz is getting dealt.

      The #5 pick. There is a misconception that this is a ‘bad’ draft. Normal considering half the players haven’t played much, and scouting has been a mess due to more important concerns. That said, there are some very good prospects. The top 5-7 picks likely have top line/top pairing grades for most teams. Most of these players are D or C, the two positions Columbus happens to be weakest at. If Columbus shares that view (I think they do), the #5 pick has the potential to net a #1C or top pair D. To give that up at the start of a rebuild is very risky, it’s almost impossible to trade for those assets, and even signing them is next to impossible. I’m not considering ANY prospect in this draft to be generational talent, but there aren’t more than about 10 of those playing at any given time in the NHL.

      Reinhert is a 2C on a 2C contract, zero surplus value. Risto is an offensive defence-man paid to be top 4, but struggles to deliver top 4 performance because of issues in the neutral and defensive zone. He’s a luxury on a contender with excess cap space, not a core top 4D on any contending or rebuilding team.

      Based that, I think that even Reinhert and Risto wouldn’t be enough for the #5 pick.
      27 jun à 12 h 58
      #10
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      Quoting: Azura0055
      The Columbus-Sabres trade is interesting.

      Even rebuilding teams need players, and having a very good goalie can be very important. Player development is tough in the NHL, it involves letting players make mistakes that lead to goals. Too many of those, not only loses, but bad habits and morale issues become a concern. Great goaltending can help reduce that.

      I don’t think Merz is getting dealt.

      The #5 pick. There is a misconception that this is a ‘bad’ draft. Normal considering half the players haven’t played much, and scouting has been a mess due to more important concerns. That said, there are some very good prospects. The top 5-7 picks likely have top line/top pairing grades for most teams. Most of these players are D or C, the two positions Columbus happens to be weakest at. If Columbus shares that view (I think they do), the #5 pick has the potential to net a #1C or top pair D. To give that up at the start of a rebuild is very risky, it’s almost impossible to trade for those assets, and even signing them is next to impossible. I’m not considering ANY prospect in this draft to be generational talent, but there aren’t more than about 10 of those playing at any given time in the NHL.

      Reinhert is a 2C on a 2C contract, zero surplus value. Risto is an offensive defence-man paid to be top 4, but struggles to deliver top 4 performance because of issues in the neutral and defensive zone. He’s a luxury on a contender with excess cap space, not a core top 4D on any contending or rebuilding team.

      Based that, I think that even Reinhert and Risto wouldn’t be enough for the #5 pick.


      Clearly Columbus looks to move Risto at the deadline unless things go very well as do the Sabres with Merzlikins. Both are expiring UFA contracts and I am not sure about Elvis but Risto will definitely sacrifice dollars for a better opportunity to win. This may not be the right move for Columbus if they are planning a long rebuild but if they are looking to move futures to bring in an impact player now they likely will not do any better than Reinhart
      27 jun à 13 h 07
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      The Dumba deal is actually a reasonable value for the Jets and would probably be something they consider. You could leave Bryson out though, he doesn't add anything that Winnipeg would need or want
       
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