Swap Newhook with Byram

If you had to choose between :

Grubauer + Newhook + Compher + 1st + 3rd

or

Gibson

What would you choose?

pass on both trades. dont need gibson. if hertl had more term then yea but too much for just 1 year.

still no

Considering that the Ducks had a roster that finished with the 2nd fewest points and holes up and down the lineup. Getzlaf is retiring or maybe taking a spot role for 1 more year. They have no 1C, Henrique was put on waivers last year and nobody wanted that contract. I think they would consider this trade as Newhook has 1C ceiling and still 2 years of ELC left. This trade is reasonably attractive for them.

Dont need Gibson? They have to get a G now. Its either sign Grubauer or go get someone equivalent or better. This is better, obviously.

If you trade Newhook, the need for a long term 2C is wide open. Hertl would need to be resigned in this scenario but the simulator doesnt do that.

I was speaking for Colorado. I don't think the difference between Grubauer and Gibson is your up and coming top 6 forwards for the next 10 years + other futures

just sign gru. no need to get anyone else.

i don't think the avs can afford to resign hertl. that's why newhook is important.

Ah I see. I would disagree that Grubauer and Gibson is as close to a wash as you suggest. Gibson is a top 5 G IMO. Compher is not panning out so really he is a salary dump in my mind and getting a fresh start somewhere else. That first is a late one in a terrible draft year. Sure, you dont want to give up Newhook for nothing but I think the org depth is deeper than it ever has been. This scenario has a 1-2-3 C depth that would match up just about any night and it locked for several years. Combine that with Gibson's 6 remaining years and this is probably as aggressive of a cup window run as could reasonably be made.

I think the Avs lost because there is not a 2nd line that scares you, granted Kadri didnt play. But swapping him for Hertl (and resigning) should be a much more intimidating 2nd line. Then a true 3C that is very strong defensively and win a FO.

Not close to enough for Hertl, sorry.

Grubi is going to want something like 5x5.5 or so. $900K more to get a top 5 G with length on his contract already is very attractive.

They certainly can resign Hertl. I dont think he is due for a huge raise as he hasnt really continued his growth. He will get some but I think it can be manageable.

Its a swap of 2Cs with some sweateners. The 5th could be improved upon.

SJ is stuck with some terrible contracts and Kadri's is a little more manageable and the resign (if desired) should be less than what Hertl's new contract will be

gru probably gets 6x6. the difference between them isnt worth the trade.

i dont think the avs can keep hertl. cant keep everyone. if hertl stays someone has to go. he'd be only a rental for the avs so no need to pay anymore than rental prices.

If Grubi gets that, I hope its not from the Avs. Bennington got that after winning the cup. A deeper run this year could have gotten Grubi similar money but I think it dropped him down a notch.

Dont get me wrong, I wouldnt be hugely disappointed with keeping him. This is a scenario I built on the idea that G needs upgrading which is not a slam dunk idea. But if that is what Joe thinks is needed, I think Gibson is the most logical way to do it. And I have disagree with you - Gibson is a significantly better G.

Other scenarios I made today kept Grubi and toyed elsewhere in the forward core. just having some fun today after a disappointing series.

Sort of but I disagree to an extent. Hertl will get more money than Kadri because he’s a much better player and would definitely re-sign with us if not traded. Hertl can function as a legit 1C, I don’t see Kadri doing the same. So Hertl’s value is reasonably higher than Kadri’s (AKA more than Kaut and a 5th). That’s even more true after how Kadri played/screwed the Avs in the playoffs this year.

To add on, the Sharks would never trade Hertl in a lateral move. The only reason we’d trade him is under the assumption that we’re rebuilding. And in that case we’d want a 1st rounder and good prospects back instead of older roster players.

That is a pretty fair take. No disagreement that Hertl's value is higher than Kadri. If the deal could happen, from the Avs side, I think Kadri has to be included and then its a question of what else is needed to make it happen.

What is your take on Donskoi? Was he well liked there or happy to not see him come back?

Thanks dude I appreciate the realism. I would be trying to move on from Kadri if I were the Avs too so I get it. Just doesn’t really make sense for the Sharks.

Don’t get me wrong I love Donskoi, but his last season with us was kind of miserable. Most fans like him, but I think he’s a much better fit in Colorado. At the moment I would be much more intrigued by someone like Jost or Nichushkin.

I’ve thought about Gibson but as @SevenLeg pointed out is the improvement over Grub worth Newhook, Compher and 1st. Imo Newhook has ppg potential and is 2 more years on an elc and along with MacK, Mikko, Makar, Byram, Girard and Landy is the core to build around for the next 5 years.

I let Jost walk in this scenario. He could be of value to someone but I dont think he is what the Avs need. Nichushkin is a lot like Alex Tuch, without the finishing ability.

Its really Newhook for Gibson with this being close to even salary swap vs Grubauer and what he gets being a Vezina finalist. Compher is nothing to build around and the 28th pick in a weak draft should have been traded at the deadline for something. I want to see Newhook develop too, but Gibson wont come for nothing. I would put someone else but the Ducks arent giving him away for free.

I agree with that analysis but just for giggles which goalie do you take:
Goalie A. 26 gs, 11 wins 13 loses, .912 sv%, 2.80 gaa, 1 so
Goalie B. 29 gs, 18 wins 10 loses, .920 sv%, 2.31 gaa, 2 so

Those are career playoff stats for the record.

That's why you dont look only a stats. Gibson is a G that can steal a series. Top 5 G in the league IMO. Grubi is good but more of a top 15 G that performed well in Bednar's system.

Now I’m just playing devil’s advocate but Gibson has 2 series wins and 2 series loses, Grubauer 3 series wins and 3 series loses. Where has Gibson shown he can steal a series? Goalies are voodoo no need to look further than Binnington which makes me very very hesitant to offer a big package for a goalie. Again just playing devils advocate.

SJ window does not fit a return of Donskoi. Kadri value has been diminished by all the suspensions. He's a marked man who cant be trusted when it matter most. Colorado wont get full value if they trade him.

bednars system isnt goalie friendly. grubby is just good.