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Créé par: DirtyDangles
Équipe: 2021-22 Flyers de Philadelphie
Date de création initiale: 18 mai 2021
Publié: 18 mai 2021
Mode - plafond salarial: Basique
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Have no clue how ARZ would value Keller but I do know that they could use a 2nd pairing NHL RHD man.
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  1. Patrick, Nolan [Droits de RFA]
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  3. Choix de 3e ronde en 2022 (PHI)
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  1. Dumba, Matt
  2. Choix de 3e ronde en 2022 (MIN)
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  1. Konecny, Travis
  2. Choix de 1e ronde en 2022 (PHI)
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18 mai 2021 à 15 h 1
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Whooooa nelly...

Vegas and Arizona say big no's and Minnesota takes that and runs
18 mai 2021 à 15 h 3
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While this is a good package for dumba, winger is the last, if at all wild need. This is good but wild have zero room or need for wingers.

Zucker had to be moved just to make room in top 4 for kaprizov
18 mai 2021 à 15 h 4
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Quoting: ChrisPy97
Whooooa nelly...

Vegas and Arizona say big no's and Minnesota takes that and runs


Care to elaborate? Glass was the same draft year as Patrick and can't even crack the Vegas lineup. Keller isn't anything special, he sits at around .61p/g over the last 3 seasons.
18 mai 2021 à 15 h 6
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While this is a good package for dumba, winger is the last, if at all wild need. This is good but wild have zero room or need for wingers.

Zucker had to be moved just to make room in top 4 for kaprizov


TK is better than any winger you have other than Kaprizov and don't you have a couple Cs coming? Rossi and Boldy. I'd be moving other wingers to make room for TK
18 mai 2021 à 15 h 6
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That's overpay for Dumba imo.
18 mai 2021 à 15 h 9
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It doesn't make sense for MN to make the trade. It's a very good offer, but MN has a ton of wings.

MN would have to have done something like traded Fiala as part of an Eichel package for it to make sense.
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That's overpay for Dumba imo.


Probably but there are no RHD available that teams are going to give away at fair value and RHD is our absolute biggest need so it is what it is.
18 mai 2021 à 15 h 11
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It doesn't make sense for MN to make the trade. It's a very good offer, but MN has a ton of wings.

MN would have to have done something like traded Fiala as part of an Eichel package for it to make sense.


TK is better than any winger you have other than Kaprizov and don't you have a couple Cs coming? Rossi and Boldy. I'd be moving other wingers to make room for TK
18 mai 2021 à 15 h 13
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TK is better than any winger you have other than Kaprizov and don't you have a couple Cs coming? Rossi and Boldy. I'd be moving other wingers to make room for TK


Boldy is a wing. Fiala and Zucc are as good or better. Greenway and Foligno fit how the team wants to play better.
18 mai 2021 à 15 h 15
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Boldy is a wing. Fiala and Zucc are as good or better. Greenway and Foligno fit how the team wants to play better.


Fiala is close but I think TK is still better. Zucc is not!

The other thing is that you can either lose him for free or you lose Greenway if you protect Dumba.
18 mai 2021 à 15 h 22
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Quoting: DirtyDangles
TK is better than any winger you have other than Kaprizov and don't you have a couple Cs coming? Rossi and Boldy. I'd be moving other wingers to make room for TK


Respectfully this isn't true

Fiala,,zuccarello are all better than him
Matt boldy is a winger, & will take a top 4 role also

Kaprizov, zuccarello
Boldy Fiala
Foligno, greenway
Either Hartman, sturm, bonino, dewar, bjustad, on 4th line
18 mai 2021 à 15 h 25
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Fiala is close but I think TK is still better. Zucc is not!


Fiala is doing everything on his own this year. He's been stuck on a line by himself trying to drag around MarJo and/or Bjugstad and whoever draws the straw to play center that day. I'm not knocking TK here, it's just not a fit for the Wild.

It also make no sense for MN to add another $5.5m+/yr winger when they have Kaprizov, Fiala, Zucc, and Parise (dead weight) already on that or more contracts. Boldy will be ready next year. Greenway, Foligno, and Hartman already under contract. That is 7 (8 counting Parise) wings right there. MN still has glaring holes at center (Rossi will/should be in the AHL), and no cap at all to find a center. Another move needs to be made before it makes sense for MN.
18 mai 2021 à 15 h 33
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Quoting: DirtyDangles
Fiala is close but I think TK is still better. Zucc is not!

The other thing is that you can either lose him for free or you lose Greenway if you protect Dumba.



TK: Had 11 g 23 assists in 50 games -5
Fiala 20 20 assists in 50 games -2
Zuccarello 11G in less games 24 assists +9 in 42 games

Nico sturm: 11G 6 assists +10 playing on 4th line
18 mai 2021 à 15 h 34
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I believe that bringing raffle back is resorting to the old problems, need to move on no matter the caliber of the player. I dont think this offense has any fire power really nor does it content within the division. Slight upgrade in D I guess but those trade values most likely are not feasible. good goalie tandem! If you said yourself Glass no different than Patrick then why get another version of him since he doesn't work here, and you also eluded to Keller being OK. Flyers dont need OK anymore they need good-great.
18 mai 2021 à 16 h 47
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Quoting: BrodinCheerD
TK: Had 11 g 23 assists in 50 games -5
Fiala 20 20 assists in 50 games -2
Zuccarello 11G in less games 24 assists +9 in 42 games

Nico sturm: 11G 6 assists +10 playing on 4th line


Using 1 season, a down one at that for all Flyers, is a bad look...
18 mai 2021 à 16 h 49
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I believe that bringing raffle back is resorting to the old problems, need to move on no matter the caliber of the player. I dont think this offense has any fire power really nor does it content within the division. Slight upgrade in D I guess but those trade values most likely are not feasible. good goalie tandem! If you said yourself Glass no different than Patrick then why get another version of him since he doesn't work here, and you also eluded to Keller being OK. Flyers dont need OK anymore they need good-great.


The D is miles better! I'm not worried about our offense and why not give Patty and Cody a fresh start and see what happens?
18 mai 2021 à 16 h 51
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Quoting: BrodinCheerD
While this is a good package for dumba, winger is the last, if at all wild need. This is good but wild have zero room or need for wingers.

Zucker had to be moved just to make room in top 4 for kaprizov


I don't care if Konecny is a winger, he is very talented and we should make this deal 100 times out of 100. We are not going to get a better deal for Dumba, so we might as well take this huge W.
18 mai 2021 à 17 h 4
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Quoting: DirtyDangles
The D is miles better! I'm not worried about our offense and why not give Patty and Cody a fresh start and see what happens?


I didn't say it was it is better but not by a ton but those trades really aren't feasible, I am bit worried about the offense it was lights out this year and wasn't lights out last playoffs and they were structured better in '19-20 but still not complete wagon feel since the D and goaltending where better I feel that there is not enough push on the offense to upgrade somewhat a lot this summer
18 mai 2021 à 18 h 14
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Quoting: DirtyDangles
Care to elaborate? Glass was the same draft year as Patrick and can't even crack the Vegas lineup. Keller isn't anything special, he sits at around .61p/g over the last 3 seasons.


Glass is the same draft year but there's a difference between not being able to crack the lineup and being patient with a prospect. It's not like he's Logan Brown. I'm pretty sure the hope is that Glass enters the lineup full time next year and becomes either the 1 or 2C. Maybe he doesn't get there, but he still has more upside than Patrick right now.

Keller is only 22. Expecting him to come out of the gate scoring 70+ points is, in my opinion, unreasonable. Is he not playing up to his contract? Absolutely, but that's more on the Coyotes, and lets not forget a lot of young players take a bit longer to reach their peak/potential. I think Arizona is crazy to undervalue him unless he goes 2-3 more years being mediocre. On the return side, as much as I hate to say it, Lindblom's ceiling is probably the third line on a good team, and Myers might be top-4, but I still think this is lopsided.

I also think you're overrating Dumba's value. He's great, and I know top-4 offensive D are a valuable commodity, but Konecny is a potential consistent almost-point-per-game player, and when you add that and a first, especially for Dumba's slightly inflated contract, that too is lopsided.
18 mai 2021 à 22 h 46
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Quoting: ChrisPy97
Glass is the same draft year but there's a difference between not being able to crack the lineup and being patient with a prospect. It's not like he's Logan Brown. I'm pretty sure the hope is that Glass enters the lineup full time next year and becomes either the 1 or 2C. Maybe he doesn't get there, but he still has more upside than Patrick right now.

Keller is only 22. Expecting him to come out of the gate scoring 70+ points is, in my opinion, unreasonable. Is he not playing up to his contract? Absolutely, but that's more on the Coyotes, and lets not forget a lot of young players take a bit longer to reach their peak/potential. I think Arizona is crazy to undervalue him unless he goes 2-3 more years being mediocre. On the return side, as much as I hate to say it, Lindblom's ceiling is probably the third line on a good team, and Myers might be top-4, but I still think this is lopsided.

I also think you're overrating Dumba's value. He's great, and I know top-4 offensive D are a valuable commodity, but Konecny is a potential consistent almost-point-per-game player, and when you add that and a first, especially for Dumba's slightly inflated contract, that too is lopsided.


Draft +4 is not being patient with a 6OA pick...
 
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